Salazar says Cain is too "Precious" to risk injuring her.

I'm still in disbelief. You call Burka, Defar, and Obiri not top people too? All your credibility is gone.

not really guy wrote:

I'm still in disbelief. You call Burka, Defar, and Obiri not top people too? All your credibility is gone.

where do I call them not top people?

Anyway, you do have a point that second tier people manage to medal in both outdoor and indoor.

Put it this way - so many of the top people don't even go to indoor WCs. But no one in his right mind would skip the outdoor WC meet.

I ask you why.

If NOP athletes are on drugs, why are they injured all the time?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

you people have an overblown assessment of the importance of the world indoor championships...

Indoor season is preseason, nothing more

Indoor is to outdoor as conference is to nationals.

agip wrote:

where do I call them not top people?

Anyway, you do have a point that second tier people manage to medal in both outdoor and indoor.

Put it this way - so many of the top people don't even go to indoor WCs. But no one in his right mind would skip the outdoor WC meet.

I ask you why.

Don't lie and act like you didn't call them not top people. This is your quote: "a couple of top people there...fast people, but not top level". When in fact, the vast majority of them are indeed top level and as good as it gets.

Plenty of people skip the outdoor meet too. And who is "so many"? I see most of the top people did actually participate in the previous world indoors.

Only a few of the top level people ever skip. And that's usually because of injury or because the country decides not to send them. Not because they want to skip it. But again, the same thing happens in outdoors too. The distance events in Moscow were incredibly weak last year.

Why are you asking me why some people skip? It's irrelevant to the point. The point is the indoors is just as competitive and strong as outdoors. Why a few people skip is irrelevant to that discussion.

Bung wrote:

If NOP athletes are on drugs, why are they injured all the time?

Are you joking? Using drugs does not mean you don't get injured. It doesn't even mean that you're less likely to be injured. Drugs do different things.

how many top people skip a meet is completely relevant.

if top people choose not to go to a meet, that meet falls in quality - they are voting with their feet.

Anyway, I'm done here - you are free to think that the indoor WC meet is 100% the equal of the outdoor WCs.

Jesus Christ, stop trolling. Indoor worlds is less important than outdoor worlds. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Lots of drugs help you recover (from injury) faster. It's the same principle, while on drugs your body recovers from workouts faster, so you can do more hard workouts. If you are injured, your body should be able to repair the damage faster.

I had a similar discussion today with someone, they mentioned that being "injured" means they can't race, which means they won't be tested at big meets. Take it however you want

an interesting experiment would be to look at the top 10 performers for the entirety of, say, 2012, in the 1500 and see how many competed at indoor worlds that year.

then do the same thing in 2013 and see how many of the fastest 10 in the 1500 went to outdoor worlds.

I suspect maybe 4 of the top 10 performers will have gone to indoor WCs and probably 7 would have gone to outdoor WCs.

statement of fact wrote:

Jesus Christ, stop trolling. Indoor worlds is less important than outdoor worlds. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Case and point, being able to progress this outdoor season and get better for the future is a lot more important than risking injury that could give her setbacks especially with how young Mary Cain is right now.

Ah, risking injury because her calf is not 100%? Welcome to distance running pal as small aches are part of the program and don't mean that she's injured or will get a serious injury from it. Whoever called them pussies is right, what a bunch of saladbar wimps. If the same thing happens in the outdoor season, we'll just skip that too, right? I swear half you guys either don't run or have serious issues with the basics.

Conspiracy theories wrote:

That is like sitting your star qb in a playoff game.

Kind of like what the Redskins should have done with RG3 his rookie year. Instead he ultimately ruined his knee for life.

*stipe wrote:

It seems prudent to err on the side of caution with Mary. However, this is more odd behavior from NOP. Salazar was not interested in being cautious a month ago with post race workouts and a pretty rigorous racing schedule. If she has a little soreness, it seems NOP would have the treatment resources at their disposal to have her ready and healthy for Worlds. Either way, I wish Mary the best for a long, successful career.

You do the workouts and races when healthy, when red flags like serious soreness come up you listen and evaluate. It's a really simple concept that few can actually adhere too. Why has Rupp been so healthy for so long despite the immense training? Because on top of all of the treatment/prevention available to him, when he feels pain or injury he reports it to his coach and he listens to what his coach says, he does it. If coach says "drop out" he does. If coach says "let's skip this race" he doesn't fight it. If coach says, "great job on that 2 mile AR, now let's do 5 x mile finishing in 4:01" he does that.

It's really not that crazy to think that when things are 98% or better you push it and push it hard, but when they start to slip below that you evaluate and back off a bit so hopefully you get back to the 98% or above quickly, as opposed to the short term approach of keep going no matter what and you end up like countless great runners who have skipped months, seasons and even years due to an injury. An injury that may have been preventable.

agip wrote:

how many top people skip a meet is completely relevant.

if top people choose not to go to a meet, that meet falls in quality - they are voting with their feet.

Anyway, I'm done here - you are free to think that the indoor WC meet is 100% the equal of the outdoor WCs.

Why do you refuse to admit when you're wrong or when you're lying? I clearly showed the flaws in your argument and you refuse to accept it. You really consider Dibaba, Alptekin, Burka, Lagat, Jelimo, the Ethiopians, etc to not be top level runners? If they aren't then who is?

But go ahead and keep ignoring reality.

agip wrote:

an interesting experiment would be to look at the top 10 performers for the entirety of, say, 2012, in the 1500 and see how many competed at indoor worlds that year.

then do the same thing in 2013 and see how many of the fastest 10 in the 1500 went to outdoor worlds.

I suspect maybe 4 of the top 10 performers will have gone to indoor WCs and probably 7 would have gone to outdoor WCs.

What you suspect is irrelevant and unnecessary. Just check the actual numbers. Your suspicion is entirely useless and only shows that you are trying to force your bias as the truth.

The 3000m this year will be harder than than either the 5 or the 10 were alone at worlds last year. It's a mix of the best from both events plus some 1500m guys maybe. This clearly shows that indoors is no less significant.

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Old School Rules wrote:

Sadly, the wussification of our professional athletes covers a lot of ground these days. It's just like baseball pitchers who get pulled from a game after throwing 100 pitches. Seriously? Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan routinely threw 150+ per outing and they had long, very productive careers.

With regard to running, the distance athletes are conditioned to be pansies. College cross country teams probably have only six meets on their entire schedule, but the best runners don't even race until Districts (MAYBE they'll run pre-Nats or their conference championshop meet). Always trying to save themselves instead of doing what makes the sport fun - RACING!

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Nolan and Seaver were exceptions.

Wilbur Wood, pitched both ends of a double header on more than one occasion.

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RE: Salazar says Cain is too "Precious" to risk injuring her. 3/4/2014 11:09AM - in

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That's the most reasonable response on this thread. However there are no outdoor championships this year, so one would think Cain could be trusted give it a try and pull out if she has any troubling pain. Unless her issue is more serious than is being reported.

It's a big disappointment to not see her compete.

Lets say you are coaching Cain at the big one, 16 Oly, and it looks like she will medal and has a small chance in taking gold. Cain is now 20 but she does have a injury like she has now.

Would you let her run?

I would, you have the chance that might never come again.

But for indoor this year I say not. I think AlSal big plan is for 16 & 20 Oly.

AlSal did have a lot of problems with injury when he was running and maybe he is telling Cain been there don that