Mo's patented Sit & Kick would never have worked on El G.
Mo's patented Sit & Kick would never have worked on El G.
Nope. Out of his range.
Sit on It & Kick wrote:
Mo's patented Sit & Kick would never have worked on El G.
el g had his compatriots to rabbit and ensure a fast pace which favoured him
No
just sayin wrote:
Sit on It & Kick wrote:Mo's patented Sit & Kick would never have worked on El G.
el g had his compatriots to rabbit and ensure a fast pace which favoured him
Not in any of his 5000m championship races. Mo would of had his hands full with an 03/04 El G. He would have been dealing with a guy who has better speed than him and who was just as race savvy if not more.
oodk wrote:
we've been thru this wrote:http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5302291Oh yeah that's right. It makes perfect sense that a 26:20 guy can't win a 60:10 half marathon race.
Canova never said 26'20, he said under 26'30
And yes it makes sense
Just not to a moron with a pea brain who keeps spouting the same nonsense over and over
read: you
what???? wrote:
Not in any of his 5000m championship races. Mo would of had his hands full with an 03/04 El G. He would have been dealing with a guy who has better speed than him and who was just as race savvy if not more.
quite a few few factual errors in that paragraph
Yes, and Farah would never survive going with El G's rabbits...just telling...
just sayin wrote:
Sit on It & Kick wrote:Mo's patented Sit & Kick would never have worked on El G.
el g had his compatriots to rabbit and ensure a fast pace which favoured him
Yupers, factual grammar errors are abundant in your post.
just sayin wrote:
"el g had his compatriots to rabbit and ensure a fast pace which favoured him"
quite a few few factual errors in that paragraph
OP
interesting question
mathematically, the = of 3'28.81 for 10k is
26'23.80
trust me, this is the gold-standard equivalent, it is based on pure maths, not involving any stats analysis/regression/physiology/etc, but just numbers
if anyone is interested, from "pure" mathematics :
1'46.00 = 3'35.75 = 7'37.11 = 13'06.75 = 27'10.07
1'45.00 = 3'33.88 = 7'33.36 = 13'00.50 = 26'57.57
1'44.00 = 3'32.00 = 7'29.61 = 12'54.25 = 26'45.07
1'43.00 = 3'30.13 = 7'25.86 = 12'48.00 = 26'32.57
1'42.00 = 3'28.25 = 7'22.11 = 12'41.75 = 26'20.07
1'41.00 = 3'26.38 = 7'18.36 = 12'35.50 = 26'07.57
if you don't like the numbers, please go argue with maths not me
just sayin wrote:
what???? wrote:Not in any of his 5000m championship races. Mo would of had his hands full with an 03/04 El G. He would have been dealing with a guy who has better speed than him and who was just as race savvy if not more.
quite a few few factual errors in that paragraph
Sure about that? Where am I wrong? El G was a 3:26/27 guy was he not? I doubt he would be intimidated with Farah's "new found speed." Not to mention El G ran a 12:50 in his DEBUT at the distance.I doubt Mo was stronger of the two. Plus he's pretty much the greatest 1500m runner of all time. So his tactics in a slow 5000m final would've suited him very well.
we've been thru this wrote:
oodk wrote:Oh yeah that's right. It makes perfect sense that a 26:20 guy can't win a 60:10 half marathon race.
Canova never said 26'20, he said under 26'30
And yes it makes sense
Just not to a moron with a pea brain who keeps spouting the same nonsense over and over
read: you
Ventolin, no it does not make sense. Your own calculators show that a 26:2x runner should have no problem with a 60:10 half marathon pace. You are the moron with the pea brain because you are arguing against your own calculator. Please, show us what your calculator says for half ,marathon based on a 26:2x time.
oodk wrote:
we've been thru this wrote:Canova never said 26'20, he said under 26'30
And yes it makes sense
Just not to a moron with a pea brain who keeps spouting the same nonsense over and over
read: you
Ventolin, no it does not make sense. Your own calculators show that a 26:2x runner should have no problem with a 60:10 half marathon pace. You are the moron with the pea brain because you are arguing against your own calculator. Please, show us what your calculator says for half ,marathon based on a 26:2x time.
we've been thru this a million times
ENDURANCE DECAYS
what part of that do you not understand
mo is not trained for the half-marathon
he is not going to run a half-marathon equivalent to his 10k ability
3k is his best event, and he is able to run exceptionally well just above and below that, i.e., 1500/5000
his endurance is good enough where he can eek out a decent 10k as well, i.e., 26'30 ability or just under, which is inferior to what he could post at 3000
get that thru your head
oodk wrote:Please, show us what your calculator says for half ,marathon based on a 26:2x time.
it can't
because you have to decide how much slower any individual road-race is compared to the gold standard of a stadium track, nowdays mostly enclosed meaning ~ 0 wind
you find me the maths for what boston & geoffey's 2"03-flat or his new york incredible 2"05-flat off just last 10k push on the hills, is worth on a completely flat road, i'll be amongst 1st in queque to make an estimate
26:17 is from 2005, and 12:37 is from 2004. That was a different era.
We may well one day look back at the decade from the late 1990s - late 2000s in the V02max events as we now look at the 1980s in the strength events.
If the 10,000m record is broken, we know that a new era has started, but I don't see that happening, whether from Farah or anyone else.
oodk wrote:That's not a very accurate statement. Geb and Bekele didn't have perfect pacing on an outdoor track
kennster had no even pace in his 3 elite 1500s, but he still got hammered by choge/komen2 & pushed the arab into lane 3 to get the win in his other
he was worth good for 3'30-mid in his "perfect" 1500 at his 5k/10k peak
geb maybe about 3'29-flat in his 3'31.7i
he was close, but not as good as mo over 1500
mo shouda had 3'28-low off even-pace & a pacer dedicated to him & not just for asbel !!!
Their times are comparable to his. Does anyone know what Komen's pacing was like?
i need to get hold of komen's '98 indoor season vid ( it went by so fast i missed it on satellite )
he probably was in outdoor shape that brief period of
3'27-mid/high/7'17/7'18/12'33/12'34
( the 3k/5k reports are awesome !!!
jogged around for 2k in 3k & almost 4k in 5k & blitzed it !!! )
he was in hugely better shape then 7'20-rieti & still probably the best 5k guy who ever lived
he was probably in 12'33/12'34 shape in his 12'51iwr
Agreed. Simply put. Rupp effectively finished second to Lagat in a 1500M race that day.
oodk wrote:
You asked me how I knew they weren't in form. I showed you an example of how one guy couldn't even finish a 10k in under or much under 28. That is a clear example of how i know they weren't in shape. So yes you did bring that up.
Again, those guys were all clearly in sub 12:50 shape. How do you not understand this? Lagat running a 51 in a 12:5x race doesn't clearly show sub 12:50 ability to you?
According to YOUR OWN logic, none of those guys were sub 12:50 guys in 2013 because they didn't actually run sub 12:50 in 2013.
No, Komen is far greater competition and depth by himself than any of those other guys. And no he did not always use the same tactic. Sometimes he kicked at the end. Sometimes he put a big surge in before.
Sure, I agree. The reason Farah wins is because he is currently the best. But not because he is actually a great runner. He wins because the others are either slower or lack any racing smarts. Why do they let it come down to a sit and kick EVERY race vs a guy with a 3:28 1500m time? Farah wins because the competition hands it over to him. He has never won using any other tactic.
1.
All athletes mentioned were jaked up on peds.
And farah sat and kicked as didnt have the fast times in him.
2.
The lightness ,the most important peptide in sport since epo.
Farah on exact same thing as dibaba for speed except enhancement more with women ,allows them to run more like men.
Farah always had a good kick before this stuff and rupp remember him before it ,had only one gear .
3.gw501516 use
2011/2012 was peak use and when they both ran those fast times
And managed to hold it with other high altitude athletes
Maybe burning fat more effcently in such setting ,like gw50
Is one of qualities that high altitude athletes have .
Gw50 peak use in 2011/2012
1.
Farah and rupps times
2.boston marathon with fast finish/times !forget year.
3.chrissie wellington
4.
800m records and the 2012 olympic medalists in event.
Rudisha stays away 2013 .
5.,
Rupp ,farah fast times after march 2013 when iaaf made clear
Gw50 off cards but nothing near previous times in
10000m
No, too old.
geez there sure is a lot of record breakin these days.