Umm, no Obvious. A TUE is required for albuterol for dosages over 1600 micrograms/24 hours.
Umm, no Obvious. A TUE is required for albuterol for dosages over 1600 micrograms/24 hours.
Here, under S3. Beta-2 Agonists.
Mr. Know-it-All wrote:
Umm, no Obvious. A TUE is required for albuterol for dosages over 1600 micrograms/24 hours.
Uh, isn't that what he said?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
You are lying. Albuterol does not require a TUE unless used in excess of 1600mcg per day.
UR Korrect. But, the other poster was no lying. Mr. Obvious "ass-umed" they were lying, and "ass-umed" the usage was under the allowable limit.
By the way, what keeps a person with a TUE from accidentally using more than the allowed limit? Let's say the TUEr takes a 1599 shot at noon on day 1, and then another 1599 at 11 am on day 2. That is more then 1600 in a 24 hour period.
Oh, and the rule is 24 hour period, it is not per day.
I HATE CHEATERS!!!!! I bet the difference is atleast 10 seconds a mile for cheaters who use an inhaler.....😞
I am not lying, this is what he told me and he inhales away before and after races and workouts.
I use an inhaler and they make me feel like I did before I had asthma.
If someone has asthma it can be proven with a simple test.
J.R. wrote:
The reason is because I'm convinced that asthma is not caused by pollutants, nor by any condition, but simply by improper breathing.
The doctorquack's advice is to breath more, and take medications, which is exactly the cause of the asthma.
The solution is to do the exact opposite, and breath less!
Breathing too much causes the carbon dioxide to wash out of the cells, and then o2 transport becomes impossible, which is what causes the asthma attacks. Notice when people have attacks, panic attacks the same thing, it is only when they become exhausted and can't keep overbreathing anymore that they stop and recover. If they just did that in the first place, the attacks would not happen.
The triggers for asthma are small particles in dust and
pollution. and pollen which leads to chemical changes
in the lungs associated with inflammation.
Virus's can make the lining more sensitive to react to
triggers.
Strong chemicals can trigger an asthma attack, as well
as changes in osmolarity, going from cold dry air into
hot, moist air, etc.
This information has been around for 30 years and can
be found in various journals.
I just want to talk a little bit about dosing.
1600mcg is A LOT. For the poster that was talking about taking two 1599mcg doses within 24 hours, that is really unlikely to happen. A dose is around 200mcg, depending on the inhaler. That's 2 puffs. 1600mcg is 16 puffs from an inhaler. There is no one going around taking 16 puffs before races.
". Gebrselassie was also ninth in 2006 but was forced to drop out in 2007 when he had problems with asthma.'
The greatest runner in history couldn't finish the London
Marathon because he had an asthma attack.
A runner could take 32 puffs within 24 hours of a race. That would be breaking the rule.
No Way wrote:
I just want to talk a little bit about dosing.
1600mcg is A LOT. For the poster that was talking about taking two 1599mcg doses within 24 hours, that is really unlikely to happen. A dose is around 200mcg, depending on the inhaler. That's 2 puffs. 1600mcg is 16 puffs from an inhaler. There is no one going around taking 16 puffs before races.
If you are taking 16 inhalations of albuterol before a race
or workout, you are going to screw up your Beta2 lung
receptors.
Sure, they could. They could also shoot up with EPO, that isn't the point.
The point is that if a TUE isn't required until they're taking that much, then taking 2 puffs before a race isn't an issue.
The other thing is (and obviously pharmacies can be scammed), there's no way that someone could get a prescription for that much. A doctor wouldn't prescribe that dosage.
Darrell F. wrote:
I am not lying, this is what he told me and he inhales away before and after races and workouts.
It is possible you are not lying or that the athlete in question lied to you. I find it very unlikely that the athlete in question has a TUE for albuterol, though. In general I am very skeptical of these anonymous reports which do not really seem consistent with the real world of TUEs. He can inhale away all he wants before and after workouts and races but I doubt he is above the limit for a TUE. I know a lot of people with asthma, both athletes and not, and don't know anybody who is taking that much albuterol.
If you have a TUE you have an allowance higher than the 1600mcg/day then it isn't cheating to take higher than that amount.
You can buy them (Ventolin inhalers) online.
http://ourmeds.org/products/anti_allergic_asthma/ventolin/order/?cid=baio-albuterol
Also,
http://www.inhalerguides.net/albuterol-inhaler.php
"Several medications containing the same active ingredient are only available with a doctor's approval, but it is still possible to buy Albuterol no prescription as a generic drug, should such need arise."
fred wrote:
J.R. wrote:The reason is because I'm convinced that asthma is not caused by pollutants, nor by any condition, but simply by improper breathing.
The doctorquack's advice is to breath more, and take medications, which is exactly the cause of the asthma.
The solution is to do the exact opposite, and breath less!
Breathing too much causes the carbon dioxide to wash out of the cells, and then o2 transport becomes impossible, which is what causes the asthma attacks. Notice when people have attacks, panic attacks the same thing, it is only when they become exhausted and can't keep overbreathing anymore that they stop and recover. If they just did that in the first place, the attacks would not happen.
The triggers for asthma are small particles in dust and pollution. and pollen which leads to chemical changes in the lungs associated with inflammation.
Virus's can make the lining more sensitive to react to triggers.
Strong chemicals can trigger an asthma attack, as well as changes in osmolarity, going from cold dry air into hot, moist air, etc.
This information has been around for 30 years and can be found in various journals.
Carriage return keys have been around much longer than medical journals, and the latter are mostly full of BS. There is dust in the air, and that dust can get in the lungs, but that doesn't support going to doctorquacks.
The point is that the doctorquack's SOLUTIONS are wrong.
Breathing more simply aggravates the condition, and using medications NEVER results in a cure. I never use medications and got rid of the asthma on my own, by getting rid of the CAUSE! I know of many people who got asthma later in life, who take loads of medications, and never get rid of it, because they are CAUSING the asthma with their treatments.
Mr. Know-it-All wrote:
Oh, and the rule is 24 hour period, it is not per day.
Last time I checked, a day is a 24 hour period.
Science wrote:
This isn't an opinion issue. There is scientific evidence that shows the medication does not enhance performance.
I get that letsrun is obsessed with calling everything drug cheating, but this is taking it too far.
I agree, based on the studies i've seen there is no benefit for non-asthmatic athletes to use an inhaler. However, if they use one with the intention of gaining an unfair advantage, isn't that still cheating.
J.R. wrote:
fred wrote:The triggers for asthma are small particles in dust and pollution. and pollen which leads to chemical changes in the lungs associated with inflammation.
Virus's can make the lining more sensitive to react to triggers.
Strong chemicals can trigger an asthma attack, as well as changes in osmolarity, going from cold dry air into hot, moist air, etc.
This information has been around for 30 years and can be found in various journals.
Carriage return keys have been around much longer than medical journals, and the latter are mostly full of BS. There is dust in the air, and that dust can get in the lungs, but that doesn't support going to doctorquacks.
The point is that the doctorquack's SOLUTIONS are wrong.
Breathing more simply aggravates the condition, and using medications NEVER results in a cure. I never use medications and got rid of the asthma on my own, by getting rid of the CAUSE! I know of many people who got asthma later in life, who take loads of medications, and never get rid of it, because they are CAUSING the asthma with their treatments.
I think J.R. might be mentally unstable