8:07 slower than Teg's AR. Teg > Rupp.
8:07 slower than Teg's AR. Teg > Rupp.
Does anybody know the time Galen is racing at? Is it today Friday or is it tomorrow Saturday? What time as well?
worriiieed wrote:
Any info concerning Rupp's recovery in the last few days. I mean in the post race workout, after his 5000, he looked totally wiped out. He looked like a person just pulled from the ocean after being adrift for a month in the sun. Just wondering if he has recovered fully yet from that 5000?
He did look exhausted, but he also ran nearly 4:00 for the last 1600 in a season debut race, which ended in 13:01.
He seems to recover very quickly. I bet they backed of a tad in the days after the race because he was exhausted.
I will say 8:04.97.
I'm hoping he goes under 8:04. He and Lagat have played "incremental improving" of AR with the 5000i and 2mile i, and i'd like to see Rupp improve the 2mile AR by more than a second or two, just like he did with the 5000.
michaelchamp2112 wrote:
Does anybody know the time Galen is racing at? Is it today Friday or is it tomorrow Saturday? What time as well?
I have to look again, but I think it is last race tomorrow in Boston. Think it said 7:30. So guess thats what Eastern time. I'm in the Midwest so I was thinking 5:30 pm for me.
Deffinetly in 804 shape. Just look at his indoor 5k!
4:02.5/4:00.8 = 8:03.3
8:12 after going thru 4:01 halfway
ventolin^3 wrote:
douglas burke wrote:chelanga raced the 5k last week maybe himno offense
but you are "legendary" as
"simplest"
guy to post on many boards in over
quindecim
how the fuuck is that kenyan who got blown away in that 5k going to challenge rupp at 2 miles ?!
Lolin, POD!!!
in that workout he was also running away from the line, so maybe he will do that again in the 2 mile. The fact that he was so exhausted in that workout suggests that we might get a repeat of last year where Rupp ran fantastic, flew across the country twice more, came back to Boston and ran slower than the goal, maybe a bit ill, and then later made it come together with the 7:30i. I'm hoping he made a complete recovery but it is something to think about. If fresh and healthy, he'll run faster than Salazar said (coach doesn't want to set too fast a time so that anything worse looks like a disappointment so he says something conservative for this race), namely, a close shot at the world record--give him 8:04.
8:07.6
8:08
DNS
8:06.80, eclipsing both the indoor and outdoor American records. Poor pacing over the 8:06 will indicate that an 8:04 low WR was possible.
My prediction is that after the race, some poster on here will comment about how much faster Rupp could've run, with better pacing, better choice of running line and more rest.
We expect him to get the record as both his 3k pb from last winter of 7:30.16 and his 5k from last week of 13:01.26 convert to a better time than Lagat's 8:09 AR. As a result, when he gets it, we won't be giving him a black page. We'll be holding off on another one for the mile if he gets that.Earlier this week, we reached out to our ace stat man John Kellogg (aka Kell-Doggus Maximus) and asked him to convert Rupp's indoor 3000 and 5000 PBs to other distances. Here is what he said:
- Kell-Doggus Maximus wrote:
7:30.16 3k = 8:06.23 2M = 3:46.87 1M
13:01.26 5k = 8:08.00 2M = 3:47.65 1M
We then wrote back and said, "Really? How can it convert to a 3:46 mile? That seems absurd. No one runs miles that fast but lots of guys run in the 12:50s.
Kellogg wrote back:
- Kell-Doggus Maximus wrote:
The 5,000 record equals a 3:41.31 mile, which is equal to a 3:24.91 1,500. It doesn't seem like it makes sense, but the hundreds and hundreds of pro and college times every year bear out the equivalences the way I've got them. There HAS been an improvement in 5,000 times at the super elite level in the past decade for some reason, which might be because of drugs that work better for longer track distances and road distances than the drugs that help for middle distances (remember how the 5,000 times came down SO MUCH MORE than the 1,500/mile times in the 1990s?). It's the same reason I suspect the marathon times have all of a sudden caught up to their equivalent 5,000 and 10,000 track times from a decade or more ago. The big money is in the marathon, with lots more bonus for a record, so that's where the focus (and also the doping) is going to be. If the 5,000 was clean when Bekele ran 12:37.35, then the marathon might be clean now. But I doubt it.
About that 3:41.31 mile equivalent, remember that the 5,000 record was 12:39.36 when El G ran 3:26.00 (which equals a 3:42.50 for the mile), and 12:39.36 equals 3:25.40/3:41.85, so it wasn't THAT far off what the chart predicts. Has anybody made a real attempt at the record in the 1,500 or mile since 1999? Not really. And Bekele ran his time in 2004, so maybe the 1,500/mile is more due for revision than the 5,000 (and nobody's run faster than 12:46.81 since 2005, which is itself a long way off the record). If another mile superstar comes along who can get a perfect rabbit for 1,000 like El G had, there might be a 3:25/3:42 time or faster. If that sounds unrealistic, remember that the 5,000 record was only 13:06.20 when Coe ran his 3:47.33 mile record in 1981, so at that time, the mile was "better" than the 5,000 according to my chart. So these things do fluctuate and maybe the mile record really isn't where it could be if there were more attacks at it or if there were better drugs for that distance or if a fluke mile talent pops onto the scene like they sometimes do.
- Kell-Dog
LetsRun.com wrote:
Earlier this week, we reached out to our ace stat man John Kellogg (aka Kell-Doggus Maximus) and asked him to convert Rupp's indoor 3000 and 5000 PBs to other distances. Here is what he said:
- Kell-Doggus Maximus wrote:7:30.16 3k = 8:06.23 2M = 3:46.87 1M
13:01.26 5k = 8:08.00 2M = 3:47.65 1M
We then wrote back and said, "Really? How can it convert to a 3:46 mile? That seems absurd. No one runs miles that fast but lots of guys run in the 12:50s.
Kellogg wrote back:
blah blah blah
JK is a dingbat. 7:30 is not worth 3:46. Sorry, it just ain't.
WORKOUTS DONT DETERMINE FITNESS. RACES DO.
Kellog once again proves that he really doesn't know what he is talking about.
LetsRun.com wrote:
We expect him to get the record as both his 3k pb from last winter of 7:30.16 and his 5k from last week of 13:01.26 convert to a better time than Lagat's 8:09 AR. As a result, when he gets it, we won't be giving him a black page. We'll be holding off on another one for the mile if he gets that.
Earlier this week, we reached out to our ace stat man John Kellogg (aka Kell-Doggus Maximus) and asked him to convert Rupp's indoor 3000 and 5000 PBs to other distances. Here is what he said:
- Kell-Doggus Maximus wrote:7:30.16 3k = 8:06.23 2M = 3:46.87 1M
13:01.26 5k = 8:08.00 2M = 3:47.65 1M
We then wrote back and said, "Really? How can it convert to a 3:46 mile? That seems absurd. No one runs miles that fast but lots of guys run in the 12:50s.
Kellogg wrote back:
- Kell-Doggus Maximus wrote:
The 5,000 record equals a 3:41.31 mile, which is equal to a 3:24.91 1,500. It doesn't seem like it makes sense, but the hundreds and hundreds of pro and college times every year bear out the equivalences the way I've got them. There HAS been an improvement in 5,000 times at the super elite level in the past decade for some reason, which might be because of drugs that work better for longer track distances and road distances than the drugs that help for middle distances (remember how the 5,000 times came down SO MUCH MORE than the 1,500/mile times in the 1990s?). It's the same reason I suspect the marathon times have all of a sudden caught up to their equivalent 5,000 and 10,000 track times from a decade or more ago. The big money is in the marathon, with lots more bonus for a record, so that's where the focus (and also the doping) is going to be. If the 5,000 was clean when Bekele ran 12:37.35, then the marathon might be clean now. But I doubt it.
About that 3:41.31 mile equivalent, remember that the 5,000 record was 12:39.36 when El G ran 3:26.00 (which equals a 3:42.50 for the mile), and 12:39.36 equals 3:25.40/3:41.85, so it wasn't THAT far off what the chart predicts. Has anybody made a real attempt at the record in the 1,500 or mile since 1999? Not really. And Bekele ran his time in 2004, so maybe the 1,500/mile is more due for revision than the 5,000 (and nobody's run faster than 12:46.81 since 2005, which is itself a long way off the record). If another mile superstar comes along who can get a perfect rabbit for 1,000 like El G had, there might be a 3:25/3:42 time or faster. If that sounds unrealistic, remember that the 5,000 record was only 13:06.20 when Coe ran his 3:47.33 mile record in 1981, so at that time, the mile was "better" than the 5,000 according to my chart. So these things do fluctuate and maybe the mile record really isn't where it could be if there were more attacks at it or if there were better drugs for that distance or if a fluke mile talent pops onto the scene like they sometimes do.
- Kell-Dog
i have to agree with others : your stats guy is way off in his numbers
it took me long time to figure out the theoretical equivalency :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=5553049&thread=5550811
i'm just calling rupp's 3k as 7'30-flat as round numbers are easier on the eye
7'30.00 = 1'44.11 , 2'14.13 , 3'32.20 , 12'54.90 !
( i haven't done it for a mile but usual start is to multiply 1500 by 1.08 ->3'49.18 )
the 5k is an anomaly, because kellogg was right in that it was p!ss-weak in '70/'80s & pretty much until geb's then astonishing 12'44.39 in mid-'90s
all geb did was in fact, "tighten up" the wr to get it nearer to the other wrs ( better than 1k/3k wr but weaker than others, especially 800m ) :
12'44.39 = 1'42.43 , 2'12.06 , 3'29.05 , 7'23.70
morceli's 3'27.37 was best number of any middle-dustance or distance race of mid-'90s :
3'27.37 = 1'41.54 , 2'10.94 , 7'20.35 , 12'38.82
( komen's 7'20.67 the next year was fractionally weaker )
if any distance is due for a serious demolition, it is the 1k