From what Smith said, when he counts all their drills, workouts, etc., he says his guys cover a little more than 30mpw. And if you did a percentage of intensity, I think you'd find that around 80% of their volume is relaxed. I know when I took a sheet of MJ's training from his book, it was approx. 80% moderate/easy.
This is such a HUGE problem with distance runners. You are trying to nit pick and put down other sports or other events to make yourself feel better. "Look at me, I am a runner and you are not." So you are telling me that if you did a workout that consisted of a warmup, some drills, and then 400 meter repeats, you did not run that day? Grow up. This is why no one likes our sport and this is why no one cares when a track or XC program gets cut at a college.
mr cal burner wrote:
Not Julius Sumner Miller wrote:Some basic physics: Fast running uses more energy per unit of time or distance than slow running. Many distance runners would not be as worn out from a sprint workout as real sprinters for the simple reason that they can't run as fast.
May be true, BUT it takes the SAME amount of cals to move a given weight 100 meters whether you do it in 9 sec or 9 minutes.
Not if you're using muscles to move it!
6packjack wrote:
In our hearts we know this to be true.
And cocksuckers aren't real men. You lose.
well why is it any time you ever see a sports team and the coach is like "you guys do this properly or we'll be doing 400 repeats" and everyones like "nooooooooooooooooo" and tries their very hardest because they dred doing running because it is far too hard for them?
"Our sport is other sports punishment"
Preseason training for many sports involves doing "the hardest training all year" as they put it..... running. I have friends who are sprinters and for one week in winter they did 4x500m, took them more than 100s per rep (and these are a 7.40 LJ, 51 400 and 15m+ TJer, not mediocre athletes by any means.
As a distance runner, a tapering session (ie. 6x200) in a sprinters world is a difficult session (they do at same speed with much more recov in base training) and i think its pretty safe to say that any track team that got a chance to do say
training for a day would think that is was far far far too easy (disregarding lack of height, strength etc...) yea a team that had to do a 10mile 'easy' run on any day would not survive (no matter how slow, many would not get close to finish).
6packjack wrote:
In our hearts we know this to be true.
Someone had to say it. Very true.
I noticed something like that once.
We had some good 400m runners (50-51; you're always good if you'd be the top girl in the country) and their week consisted of block starts and passes, and 150s (Monday), 30s sprints/3min jog up a mountain (Tues), 30-40min of easy running (Wed), 600s (Thu) and something else on Fridays (not too taxing).
I remember them running 5-6x 600m in around 1:53 and absolutely working, and taking lots of rest. Then I remember doing a 5k workout that same thursday (8x800m @ 5k pace), and I started at 2:45 (1:1 rest) and worked my way down to 2:30 (and I noticed my 600m split of 1:53) and thought, shit I can do their workout...
There is something in sprinting known as "extensive tempo" (not tempo as distance runners know it). This is used early in the year for getting in shape and sometimes for recovery during the main season. It is normally done at 70% speed, with something like 1:4 work-recovery ratio. So someone who could run 50 for 400 (on that date) might be doing something like 600's in 1:45-1:50 with several minutes recovery. John Smith (HSI) has a 10 X 600 workout like this for 400 runners, although 100/200 people won't often do more than 300's. When I was in college we had a workout of 10X100 in 10 minutes, so you get work + recovery of 1 minute for each 100.
This stuff is not really "training," but for getting in shape, i.e., the sprinter's equivalent of jogging. You can see some of this early in Clyde Hart's training, too, but it gets much faster as the season progresses. Many 400 people eventually progress to 500's-600's at 85% speed for overdistance, which is considerably more intense than what they start out at.
How come sprinters get so cut if they run so little? I mean some of them have seriously low levels body fat and, like some people said, they barely cover 20-30 miles per week. I know guys who run 10 miles a day aerobically who seem to carry more fat than some of these sprinters...
Dear God, not another one of these inane "only competitive distance runners who run daily, with great desire, at or above a certain velocity, and who pin on race numbers frequently and perform at a relatively high level, eat complex carbs out of necessity, and have more than ten pair of shoes are real runners" threads! Who frickin' cares? This is not even a debatable issue, since there is no true "evidence" to support either side, just the self-interest of people who, for some reason or another, feel the need to denigrate others in order to justify or even rationalize their own efforts. Hell, if it's important to you, then do it -- without resorting to labeling which does absolutely no good for anyone.
Sprinters (good ones) are a thing of beauty, and I would guess that if most of us had that fast twitch physical make-up, we'd be doing it too...
What do sprinters do?
Ghost of Ashenfelter wrote:
Dear God, not another one of these inane "only competitive distance runners who ... have more than ten pair of shoes are real runners"
noone said anything about the number of shoes. 5 would suffice.
In races over 100m to 400m with no starting blocks, many of the worlds greatest distance runners would simply blow away many of the worlds greatest sprinters. Guys like Coe, Ovett, Vaatainen, Geb, Bekele, El Guerrouj could/can all run 10 point for the 100 from a standing start. Look at Rui Silva, the guy ran 49 point for his last lap of a fast 1500m !! He would simply smoke MJ on a good day in a flat 400. Give these world class distance guys some respect.
On the other hand just watch the 1500m in the decathlon and you will get an idea as to how amusing it would be to watch Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson and Michael Johnson to race each other over 1500m. If you managed to stay awake that is.
Distance guys rule period, the best of them can sprint and run distance.
Rui Silva "would simply smoke MJ on a good day in a flat 400."
Either you are implying Rui Silva is a pothead or that he would beat Michael Johnson in a 400. One way or another, your claim is ludicrous, even on a good day.
I bet Rui tops out at 47s
The fact is if he could really run the 400 fast, he'd be running the 400 (ex. Wariner).
So when a couple of runners in a distance race start sprinting for the finish line, what do they become?
j squire wrote:
Would runners do this?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/uclickcomics/20040911/cx_bl_uc/bl20040911&e=3
no but sprinters would. c lewis did this before every race and every longjump.
justajogger wrote:
So when a couple of runners in a distance race start sprinting for the finish line, what do they become?
Extremely slow sprinters...