South Eugene Rocks wrote:
Trolled schmolled, I could give a flying F.
So, you are saying that you really do care about being trolled.
Sorry, but you make it way too easy to point out the obvious.
South Eugene Rocks wrote:
Trolled schmolled, I could give a flying F.
So, you are saying that you really do care about being trolled.
Sorry, but you make it way too easy to point out the obvious.
PIL wrote:
Hmm. Possibly the greatest 800m runner in history and one of the greatest track athletes in history, and some think he can't run a decent 1500m. Wow.
Define 'decent'.
Some folks here are just trolling. For those who take the question seriously, the answer may be 3:28 or it may be 3:34 (or anywhere in between).
WR at 800m or no, there is no guarantee that he is going to thrive at this distance.
"Oh sure Blake Haney is some skinny nobody - you really think Lebron couldn't run at least 3:42? Did you see how fast he was in the game against the clippers?!"
Fools. I bet Rudisha could break 3:40, but it would not be pretty. I've seen plenty of 47/1:49 guys struggle mightily to run a 4:10 1500m.[/quote]
Dumb argument. Rudisha has the world record in the event below 1500 meters. Rudisha has demonstrated tremendous middle distance ability already. Lebron James probably never runs hard for over 50-60 meters at one time. Lebron has suspect at best middle distance ability and doesn't even look that fast versus other slow basketball players.
yeah but... wrote:
Well Now That You Mention It wrote:Rudisha's advantage over Symmonds at 400 is greater than his advantage at 800. This suggests that his advantage (if any) at 1500 may be smaller than at 800. It is very possible that he will not break 3:34.
Keep in mind the 400 is run without a draft since the guys stay in their own lanes. Rudisha ran his 800 PR on the front the entire time, no draft. Symmonds ran his PR while drafting the last 700. Big BIG difference. Has Symmonds ever broken 1:45 leading the entire way?
I'm not knocking Nick for racing smart, but to think he's going to beat Rudisha in a 1500 if Rudisha is serious about it is just asinine.
Racers like Rudisha have their work cut out for them in the 1500. The 800m is short enough you can front run it wire to wire and take the strategy out of it.
Rudisha after breaking the world record is likely trying to do something new. But I see Nick Symmonds running 3:32 and beating him, more likely than Rudisha pulling out sub 3:30
Nick is a durable workhorse and had years of training Rudisha hasn't experienced yet. These two men are different breeds and unfair to compare. But I will comment and say Nick is better suited for the 1500m. But Rudisha has more natural talent.
Cadence of 196 pm for the 800. 218 for the 400. Not really indicative of spped based guy moving up to the 800.
The guy is from the Rift Valley. To think he's speed based and the 800 is farthest he can go is like saying Bolt is strength based and moving down from the 800.
I'm going to be bold. He's going to break the WR. And not by a little either.
Theoretically, someone who can run under 1:41 should also be able to run under 3:23 - if they're as good at the 15 as they are at the 8. He's probably not as good at 15, but, hey, you never know. I say sub 3:25. On the small chance I'm right, I'll be back here to do a whole lot of obnoxious bragging.
Seb Coe ran a 45.5 relay split, 1:41.73, and 3:29.77.
Rudisha's ran 45.13 and 1:40.91, so I think he's basically an improved version of Seb Coe. No one would have thought that Coe could have ran the mile wr the first time he broke it, since he was thought of in a similar way that Rudisha is today.
I'm calling 3:27-29, if he decides to apply himself to the distance.
wyse wrote:
Hardloper wrote:I do not think Rudisha would even run 3:30 in his 2012 form. He wouldn't even be that far ahead of Symmonds. Symmonds has way less speed and probably more endurance. Of course it's a mystery what kind of shape he's in now.
Given that the major championships (Worlds and Olympics) are run in rounds, I would say that they are, at a minimum, a decent test of endurance. I know that most/all of the athletes with hopes, aspirations, and expectations of medaling will expend as little energy as possible to make it to the finals, they still have to run multiple high-quality 800s in a rather short time-frame. I just don't quite buy into the notion that Symmonds has more endurance, when, if true, that would make running a 3rd world-class 800 in so many days one of his strengths, when, it seems to me at least, that Rudisha does just as well (read: better since he actually wins those races...) in the same circumstances. So, like I said, I, personally, feel that Rudisha's ability to dominate rounds and finals they way he typucally does is a decent testament to his strength/endurance. A bit of 1500 specific work under his belt, and I see him at 3:29, give or take. I do not think he's gonna be the bestest of the best ever, but he should be pretty exciting to watch and better than most will give him credit for.
Symmonds and Rudisha have both raced an open 400. Symmonds ran 47.45, Rudisha ran 45.50. I can buy that Symmonds could run 46.x if he made more serious attempts at it but it is still clear that his speed tails off less as the distance goes up, and at some point Symmonds passes Rudisha. Whether that's 10000m or 3000m or 1500 I don't know. If it were 2012 I would pick King David in a 1500 all the way, but after a year of injury I don't know.
Hardloper wrote:
wyse wrote:Given that the major championships (Worlds and Olympics) are run in rounds, I would say that they are, at a minimum, a decent test of endurance. I know that most/all of the athletes with hopes, aspirations, and expectations of medaling will expend as little energy as possible to make it to the finals, they still have to run multiple high-quality 800s in a rather short time-frame. I just don't quite buy into the notion that Symmonds has more endurance, when, if true, that would make running a 3rd world-class 800 in so many days one of his strengths, when, it seems to me at least, that Rudisha does just as well (read: better since he actually wins those races...) in the same circumstances. So, like I said, I, personally, feel that Rudisha's ability to dominate rounds and finals they way he typucally does is a decent testament to his strength/endurance. A bit of 1500 specific work under his belt, and I see him at 3:29, give or take. I do not think he's gonna be the bestest of the best ever, but he should be pretty exciting to watch and better than most will give him credit for.
Symmonds and Rudisha have both raced an open 400. Symmonds ran 47.45, Rudisha ran 45.50*. I can buy that Symmonds could run 46.x if he made more serious attempts at it but it is still clear that his speed tails off less as the distance goes up, and at some point Symmonds passes Rudisha. Whether that's 10000m or 3000m or 1500 I don't know. If it were 2012 I would pick King David in a 1500 all the way, but after a year of injury I don't know.
That's 45.15 sorry.
Rudisha ftw wrote:
Seb Coe ran a 45.5 relay split, 1:41.73, and 3:29.77.
Rudisha's ran 45.13 and 1:40.91, so I think he's basically an improved version of Seb Coe. No one would have thought that Coe could have ran the mile wr the first time he broke it, since he was thought of in a similar way that Rudisha is today.
What is a 45.5r worth for a 400 out of blocks? 46-low? I think that implies way less of a sprinter profile than Rudisha.
from the data of course rudi is a 45 second 400m guy and a 140 800 guy.
we have don't any data about his aerobic conditioning really. coach can tell you however.
coe on the other hand ran 3000m and cross country in his youth. so you cannot compare the two.
rudi probably has run some interesting over distance times in training so i'd venture that his aerobic ability is better than your average 400-800 type, but is not in the same league as an ovett, cram or coe. forget about it.
rudi probably can go 333 but that would be too painful and not beneficial to 800 training moving forward, so rudi should run 335-37 range.
for sure rudi can run a decent 1000m but like i said, the next 500m ain't going to work for him.
Hardloper wrote:
wyse wrote:Given that the major championships (Worlds and Olympics) are run in rounds, I would say that they are, at a minimum, a decent test of endurance. I know that most/all of the athletes with hopes, aspirations, and expectations of medaling will expend as little energy as possible to make it to the finals, they still have to run multiple high-quality 800s in a rather short time-frame. I just don't quite buy into the notion that Symmonds has more endurance, when, if true, that would make running a 3rd world-class 800 in so many days one of his strengths, when, it seems to me at least, that Rudisha does just as well (read: better since he actually wins those races...) in the same circumstances. So, like I said, I, personally, feel that Rudisha's ability to dominate rounds and finals they way he typucally does is a decent testament to his strength/endurance. A bit of 1500 specific work under his belt, and I see him at 3:29, give or take. I do not think he's gonna be the bestest of the best ever, but he should be pretty exciting to watch and better than most will give him credit for.
Symmonds and Rudisha have both raced an open 400. Symmonds ran 47.45, Rudisha ran 45.50. I can buy that Symmonds could run 46.x if he made more serious attempts at it but it is still clear that his speed tails off less as the distance goes up, and at some point Symmonds passes Rudisha. Whether that's 10000m or 3000m or 1500 I don't know. If it were 2012 I would pick King David in a 1500 all the way, but after a year of injury I don't know.
I don't fault you for not understanding this better, as running is still in its infancy in regards to aerodynamics. Seriously, please don't take this as an insult, it's not.
A 1:40.91 run from the front the entire way is in a different league than a 1:42.95 done with 700m of drafting. Symmonds is actually falling farther behind Rudi as distance goes up. Given Nick's morphology it shouldn't be very surprising. Nick is an extremely intelligent racer that knows his limitations. Rudi is an extremely gifted racer that knows no limitations...aside from this knee business!
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
Sorry, but you make it way too easy to point out the obvious.
By definition there should be no reason to point out the obvious. You sir might be retarded. I commend you for knowing how to read and write despite your genetic inferiority.
He will run something like Cruz. I would say 3:36 unless he switched to 1500 which after his first one won't happen
Rudisha's PRs of 45.13 for 400 and of course his daunting 1:40.91 800 meter world record show that he define rely has the speed. The question is, however, is wether or not he's capable of running with Kiprop, Chepseba, ect. for 1500. The answer is probably not. 1500 will not come as easily to him as it did for Former WR holder Sebastian Coe. I say 3:31-3:33.
And we hope that he runs a fast Mile or two as well to add sub-4 to his racing resume!
pointing out the more obvious wrote:
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:Sorry, but you make it way too easy to point out the obvious.
By definition there should be no reason to point out the obvious. You sir might be retarded. I commend you for knowing how to read and write despite your genetic inferiority.
Thank you my dearest friend. Please note, however, the critical words in your first sentence, "should be".
Thus, while I may well be retarded, you have proven to be more so. So much so that you may not even understand why.
Thanks for the compliment just the same. I am indeed proud of learning to read and write.
Rudisha ftw wrote:
Seb Coe ran a 45.5 relay split, 1:41.73, and 3:29.77.
Rudisha's ran 45.13 and 1:40.91, so I think he's basically an improved version of Seb Coe. No one would have thought that Coe could have ran the mile wr the first time he broke it, since he was thought of in a similar way that Rudisha is today.
I'm calling 3:27-29, if he decides to apply himself to the distance.
could have run
Rudisha is preparing for the 800m and "might" run a 1500m some day.
"The truth is that I want to be back in 800m next season before thinking of shifting gears to the three-and-a-half laps race," said Rudisha in Eldoret."
"Several people have been pressuring me to compete in the race and I have given it a thought and I might try before It before I retire from the track," Rudisha said.
Cruz was actually very good at 1500/mile. In 1984
he was a favorite at 1500m also.