Wang Junxia 1993 records

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Remember that male hormones are going to have a much more pronounced effect on women than on men.

Remember what? Is there any proof that male hormones have a bigger effect on women than men? Without a further explanation, this statement makes no sense.

The folks claiming that the track was short certainly have their tinfoil hats on. It was verified by non chinese. It is not a short track. It was also used to host other events that had standard times. Unless you are gullible enough to believe that there was a mass conspiracy and all the other runners purposely ran slow at every event hosted there.

In my mind there is no doubt she was doped to the gills. But a short track? nope.

osisk wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Remember that male hormones are going to have a much more pronounced effect on women than on men.

Remember what? Is there any proof that male hormones have a bigger effect on women than men? Without a further explanation, this statement makes no sense.

only to people who don't understand physiology

"Star TV did a special on this , given that none of the posters here have ever been to China or Hong Kong where any of this would be easy to source. If its so important , climb on a plane spend the money and time , do your research and report back to us. Everything it stated here is 100% speculation , zero facts..."

Are you Chinese? Perhaps you can link us some stuff?

With my admittedly limited knowledge of the language I've been able to locate very little, other than official reports and whatnot. The most interesting thing I came across was a forum discussion between Chinese debating the veracity of her feat just like ourselves here. Frustratingly though, only one posters writes that she needs to see the video to believe.

We're wasting our time debating what happened or didn't happen. We need to get the video released. Maybe someone knows someone important in US Athletics? Maybe Dibaba takes questions on her website? Something like... know what I mean... their must be a route in.

At the very least, a statment from China saying "We taped over it" would be some satisfaction to me.

Perhaps the government had state labs cranking out the

designer cocktails, Mr or Mrs Bumfeeler.

bumfeeler wrote:

Are you Chinese? Perhaps you can link us some stuff?

With my admittedly limited knowledge of the language I've been able to locate very little, other than official reports and whatnot. The most interesting thing I came across was a forum discussion between Chinese debating the veracity of her feat just like ourselves here. Frustratingly though, only one posters writes that she needs to see the video to believe.

We're wasting our time debating what happened or didn't happen. We need to get the video released. Maybe someone knows someone important in US Athletics? Maybe Dibaba takes questions on her website? Something like... know what I mean... their must be a route in.

At the very least, a statment from China saying "We taped over it" would be some satisfaction to me.

Several problems with this:

1) The IAAF cannot actually do this. Because they were the governing body that ratified the record to begin with, for them to demand evidence TWENTY years later would draw massive amounts of international media criticism.

Remember that the vast majority of the people in the world do not follow running like the posters of this forum. Most of them will not know who Wang Junxia is, and will not comprehend how ridiculous a time of 8:06 and 29:31 is for a female.

That being said, because of this situation, if headlines were to go up stating "IAAF demands video proof of Chinese record 20 years after the fact", it would be titanically bad publicity for the IAAF, because none of the readers would be familiar enough with the situation to understand that it is actually the logical course of action to take.

To put it simply, if the IAAF demands proof and makes headlines for it...

Letsrun Reaction: "Finally!!!!"

The other 99.99% of the Population: "Wow! The governing body of track and field is both racist and inept!!"

2) High Profile Runners do not have the power to make the IAAF do this. Radcliffe has been complaining for years about how Junxia's records are illegitimate, and she's one of the biggest female figures in distance running.

If Dibaba or some other runner were to demand proof, the IAAF would be in no manner obliged to actually provide it.

Great post.

Only the athletes themselves are capable of making waves. I mean, if Radcliffe* was to start a gang and they sent their message out together, it would create an embarrassing situation for the IAAF and China.

Unless China up trumps...

* The British rags like to paint Paula as a whinge bag so it might be better if someone else is leader

bumfeeler wrote:

* The British rags like to paint Paula as a whinge bag so it might be better if someone else is leader

Yeah, maybe get someone like Twiggy or Naomi Campbell hot on the trail.

hihi wrote:

The folks claiming that the track was short certainly have their tinfoil hats on. It was verified by non chinese. It is not a short track. It was also used to host other events that had standard times.

This all 100 percent bullshit. Prove otherwise or retreat from this discussion in shame.

Are you a native English speaker?

Overstretched Sphincter wrote:

hihi wrote:

The folks claiming that the track was short certainly have their tinfoil hats on. It was verified by non chinese. It is not a short track. It was also used to host other events that had standard times.

This all 100 percent bullshit. Prove otherwise or retreat from this discussion in shame.

Was it an 8 lane track which grew an extra inside lane for the duration of the games?

While we are at it, let's just take away Flojo's times and all the pre-90's eastern bloc stuff?

toro wrote:

First you ask "How did she just knock 42 seconds off of the 10,000 WR?

Correction: off the WOMEN'S world record.

So what? Rupp took 25 seconds off the white man world record.

Some coaches are reeeeeally smart.

BoulderSucks, yes I'm a native English speaker. Just prone to the odd typo.

Overstretched Sphincter, great username.

Everyone else, stop speculating on the length of the track.

I want a challenge to be mounted from athletes to have these videos released. Why have the top female runners never gotten together to make this happen before? The 1500, 3000 and 10,000 records are out of site... why do they not share our curiosity / frustration?

I don't see any reason why women's athletics can't give China a nudge on this one.

bumfeeler wrote:

I want a challenge to be mounted from athletes to have these videos released. Why have the top female runners never gotten together to make this happen before? The 1500, 3000 and 10,000 records are out of site... why do they not share our curiosity / frustration?

The same reason that Valerie Adams doesn't demand video evidence that Lisovskaya really threw 22.63. Of course it happened. Of course it weighed 4kg. She was just on a slew of male hormones.

Overstretched Sphincter wrote:

hihi wrote:

The folks claiming that the track was short certainly have their tinfoil hats on. It was verified by non chinese. It is not a short track. It was also used to host other events that had standard times.

This all 100 percent bullshit. Prove otherwise or retreat from this discussion in shame.

It was used for the 1990 Asian Games without incident.

The men at the 1993 National Games ran what they always run.

The Chinese female 1500m runners ran off the charts again four years later in Shanghai at the same track used for the grand prix today.

Did Lisovskaya break records in every throwing event that week?

Did her countrywomen also record the top 10 longest throws ever that week?

Did she never break 19m outside of Russia?

The week in Beijing is the greatest ever week in athletics ever. Comparisons of any kind cannot be made.

Whether it be out of suspicion, awe or whatever else... athletics should be demanding the presentation of those races.

bumfeeler wrote:

Did Lisovskaya break records in every throwing event that week?

Did her countrywomen also record the top 10 longest throws ever that week?

Did she never break 19m outside of Russia?

The week in Beijing is the greatest ever week in athletics ever. Comparisons of any kind cannot be made.

Whether it be out of suspicion, awe or whatever else... athletics should be demanding the presentation of those races.

It was timed by Omega. You had foreign correspondents there. The track had been used for the 1990 Asian Games. The men didn't run at any level above what would be expected.

I would appreciate watching the races in their entirety but doing so wouldn't prove anything beyond what we already know.

Flash in the pan. Gone