California International Marathon

My Dog Ate My Tampon wrote:

How about you respect the First Amendment as well as try to use your head when it comes to this shit? It's absurd that you see any flaw in the logic of Hebron, KY.

People routinely throw hissy fits at "unwarranted" speculation, and as Hebron, KY pointed out, even on these rumor-choked forums, smoke has proven time and again to be a pretty reliable indicator of fire.

Tampon: Hebron KY asked me if there were any questions that I didn't ask. I said yes. And then I asked the questions again. I'm waiting for Hebron's answers.

A question for you, Tapon. Do you know who John Tope is. He is one of the people who gets on the forums and makes random accusations without facts that can be substantiated. I love Tope's passion. I'd love to have a debate with either him or a person like him. If people like John Tope continue to hide behind an alias then I'd suggest that we allow our governing bodies to deal with this issue, which they are empowered to do. Then we should all ignore John Tope, or whoever is posting these messages.

Clean Runners wrote:

Tampon: Hebron KY asked me if there were any questions that I didn't ask. I said yes. And then I asked the questions again. I'm waiting for Hebron's answers.

A question for you, Tapon. Do you know who John Tope is. He is one of the people who gets on the forums and makes random accusations without facts that can be substantiated. I love Tope's passion. I'd love to have a debate with either him or a person like him. If people like John Tope continue to hide behind an alias then I'd suggest that we allow our governing bodies to deal with this issue, which they are empowered to do. Then we should all ignore John Tope, or whoever is posting these messages.

So what part of Nike Public Relations (corporate propaganda) do you work for? Or are you a pretender like A Duck?

I personally don't have any connection here, but the basic facts regarding this club appear to be pretty disgusting. I see some Russians coaching a bunch of non-Americans, at least some of which have been officially sanctioned for doping offences. The club website lists precisely one "American" named ABDELAZIZ ATMANI, and All-Athletics says he is Moroccan, so you really have this club in middle America with NO Americans in it.

And here is some of the evidence to support Hebron KY:

Jynocel Basweti, a member of the club in question mentioned as a drug cheat by Hebron KY, is one of the runners sanctioned by Kenya for doping. It appears that there is not just a cheater or two but an organized conspiracy where dopers are targeting small marathons because the organizers can't afford extensive testing.

And USADA should be targeting operations like this.

Good work Hebron KY.

arrs data wrote:

According to ARRS, it currently has a race time bias of +8 seconds, based on data of elites since 2000. Houston, Chicago, and Los Angeles are considered faster.

http://www.arrs.net/TB_Mara.htm

Current ARRS estimate is 25 seconds fast.

NorCal wrote:

CIM Facebook saying this was the 5th fastest marathon of 2013 for an American woman.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151839254432709&set=a.10151762208772709.1073741828.43028287708&type=1&relevant_count=1

USATF doesn't have a marathon listing this year. How do they know that?

You could try the IAAF website:

Hebron KY: Read closely what you posted above. It is EXACTLY what you posted from a 2007 foreign article.

REALLY!! Read it.

Aissa Dghoughi is NOT the person using the drugs in this article. He is the person REPORTING the drug use. He is the WHISTLE BLOWER proven by the article that you posted above. You copy and pasted an article translated into English from over 6 years ago and you presented it as proof that Aissa cheated. Nothing in the article above is about Aissa using drugs, it is all about him reporting it. Take the time to read the article carefully that you posted. It proves that Aissa is the one who took the bold move to report the cheating and you are punishing him for that in 2013. You are punishing the whistle blower and not the cheater. Read the article!

To take this one step further, Aissa reported that France's ex-1500m national record holder Latifa Essarokh as a cheater. She served her sentence and later resumed competition. Do you know Aissa's relationship to Latifa and what that cost him? If you understand that relationship, isn't it time to allow Aissa to put all this behind him which happened in 2006 and allow him to move on with his life and his chosen professional running career?

If anything your responses are only creating more suspicion. You seem awfully wound up about this. How about you post your name and email as well? Who knows, perhaps I'm a journalist who may contact you.

I wouldn't use the words "wound up in this" but I definitely care. I'd love to post my real name and email address. This forum doesn't really allow for that so how can I contact you? Should we continue to do it via our alias names in this public chat area. I've found that it isn't a great way to communicate but I'm ready to evolve.

MikeHunt wrote:

If anything your responses are only creating more suspicion. You seem awfully wound up about this. How about you post your name and email as well? Who knows, perhaps I'm a journalist who may contact you.

MikeHunt ... how about you create a link to your email address and I'll email you. And if you don't do that then elaborate on what you mean by "awfully wound up about this". And who knows, perhaps I'm also a journalist who may contact you as well. Wouldn't it be cool to talk journalist to journalist.

NorCal wrote:

USATF doesn't have a marathon listing this year. How do they know that?

There are lots of result databases out there. Is it that difficult to figure out?

To answer your question, I'm a pretender like A-Duck. (by the way, who is A-Duck?) I'll agree with everything he says.

Russians coaching a bunch of non-Americans is disgusting.

If even one person who is non-American is caught cheating, then we should ban all those non-American people. I think a runner from Malaysia was caught cheating so let's ban all Malaysians, especially if one of them starts to run well. How can our US children have a chance to compete otherwise? (is that A-Duck's logic?)

It is un-American to have a running club in the midwest without at least one true American in it. I don't know who ABDELAZIZ ATMANI is but I'll take your word that he (or she) isn't the token American for that club. Ban that club and everyone associated with it.

How am I doing?

Jynocel Basweti. It appears that it isn't just a cheater but an organized conspiracy where dopers are targeting small marathons because the organizers can't afford extensive testing. So, A-Duck, should we advocate that we stop all competition that can't afford to test.

Where is this all leading?

Clean Runners wrote:

I'd love to post my real name and email address. This forum doesn't really allow for that

Actually it does, but it's a very complex and confusing process, so please read these directions carefully:

1. In the field labeled "Name," type your real name.

2. In the field labeled "E-mail," type your real e-mail address.

3. In the field labeled "Message," a message.

4. Hit the "Post Message" button.

I realize that on the surface it looks as if there's no way in hell this will work, but believe it or not, it does. Good luck.

troof be told wrote:

NorCal wrote:

CIM Facebook saying this was the 5th fastest marathon of 2013 for an American woman.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151839254432709&set=a.10151762208772709.1073741828.43028287708&type=1&relevant_count=1

USATF doesn't have a marathon listing this year. How do they know that?

You could try the IAAF website:

http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/road-running/marathon/outdoor/women/senior/2013

Good idea but there are only two Americans listed with faster times. So either Wade is actually number three on the year or still need a reference for the other two.

There are other world top lists. The issue is finding one that goes down far enough.

Lilian Moraa Mariita, a runner from the Hebron, KY group, failed a test for EPO.

How many is that now for this group? And to think, some Bozo was defending them.