lllsk wrote:
said88 wrote:Are you so sure about Salazar? Dixon yes, but I'm sceptical about Salazar.
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Salazar ran 13:10 for 5k. Of course he could run 3:38.
13:10 over 5000m is not an indication he also was capable of 3:38, as I said, I very much doubt he could have run this time. There have been athletes with better 5000m PB, but could just dream of 3:38.
Based on what? Salazar and Dixon could have easily run 3:38. Who do you think couldnt?[/quote]
Actually, Dixon ran 3:33.89 in 1974.
By one of your own formulas, Geb's indoor time equates to 3:29.68 outdoors, correct?
And it is the second fastest indoor time ever and they run it every season.
So you're saying Hicham's indoor record is weak, no? So then, were should it be (serious question!) ??
said88 wrote:
13:10 over 5000m is not an indication he also was capable of 3:38, as I said, I very much doubt he could have run this time. There have been athletes with better 5000m PB, but could just dream of 3:38.
Yes it is. What 13:10 runner can't run a sub 4 mile (a 3:42 1500)? No 13:00 flat athlete has ever "dreamt" of a 3:38.
52.43 wrote:By one of your own formulas, Geb's indoor time equates to 3:29.68 outdoors, correct?
not me
that must be iaaf tables
indoor/outdoors is moron work
i'd luv to know what they offer 1'42.67i outdoors with pacing to 400...
And it is the second fastest indoor time ever and they run it every season
indoors is a joke
elliot ran 3'34wr when most anyone with a brain knew he was in at worst 3'29 shape
probably in 3'28+ shape this day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqbJ6ak__oSo you're saying Hicham's indoor record is weak, no? So then, were should it be (serious question!) ??
he ran 3'28.9 & much better 3'44.9 earlier
= low-3'28 off 1.08
prelim is geb was in low-3'29 shape
lllks wrote:
said88 wrote:13:10 over 5000m is not an indication he also was capable of 3:38, as I said, I very much doubt he could have run this time. There have been athletes with better 5000m PB, but could just dream of 3:38.
Yes it is. What 13:10 runner can't run a sub 4 mile (a 3:42 1500)? No 13:00 flat athlete has ever "dreamt" of a 3:38.
You are definitely wrong (sub 4 also is a lot different from 3:38).
Alberto Covo could not run 3:38.
Francesco Panetta could not run 3:38.
Stephane Franke for many years was far, far away from breaking 3:40, but ran 3:38 very late in his career (don't know how he has done this)
Henry Rono was far away from running 3:38.
There are many more examples. I'm not saying all of these athletes have reached there ultimate potential over 1500m. But they have tried on many occasions and usually were far away from the time. 3:38 is a very good 1500m time, and definitely not every sub 13:11 5000m runner is capable of this time.
said88 wrote:
You are definitely wrong (sub 4 also is a lot different from 3:38).
Alberto Covo could not run 3:38.
Francesco Panetta could not run 3:38.
Stephane Franke for many years was far, far away from breaking 3:40, but ran 3:38 very late in his career (don't know how he has done this)
Henry Rono was far away from running 3:38.
There are many more examples. I'm not saying all of these athletes have reached there ultimate potential over 1500m. But they have tried on many occasions and usually were far away from the time. 3:38 is a very good 1500m time, and definitely not every sub 13:11 5000m runner is capable of this time.
No, I am not definitely wrong. You cannot run sub 13:11 without being able to run 3:38. Did not is different than cannot.
lllks wrote:
said88 wrote:You are definitely wrong (sub 4 also is a lot different from 3:38).
Alberto Covo could not run 3:38.
Francesco Panetta could not run 3:38.
Stephane Franke for many years was far, far away from breaking 3:40, but ran 3:38 very late in his career (don't know how he has done this)
Henry Rono was far away from running 3:38.
There are many more examples. I'm not saying all of these athletes have reached there ultimate potential over 1500m. But they have tried on many occasions and usually were far away from the time. 3:38 is a very good 1500m time, and definitely not every sub 13:11 5000m runner is capable of this time.
No, I am not definitely wrong. You cannot run sub 13:11 without being able to run 3:38. Did not is different than cannot.
OK, athletes who have run the distance on many occasions and never came close to 3:40 were able to run 3:38. OK.
Sub 13:11 paceover 5000m is 3:57,3 pace over 1500m. Why do you know that a runner who is capable of this pace for 5000m must also be capable of running 19 seconds faster over 1500m? You are definitely wrong.
said88 wrote:Henry Rono was far away from running 3:38
drivel
henry was "mo" of his day, except no wabbit took him to 1/2-way/bell
his prelim lines of fit in '78 were
~ 51.0 / 1'48.2 ->
3'33.5
4'51.0
7'30.1
12'58.7
27'14.9
to
~ 51.0 / 1'48.1 ->
3'33.1
4'50.5
7'29.0
12'56.5
27'09.1
not impressive times at all for kenyans 15y later, but he at least trained somewhat in '78
This is letsrun so it has to be pointed out, didn't Jerry Lindgren run 16:04 for 4 miles?
Cus it is 2-bit labs that do this testing? And the 3:27 win was in 04 as El G was sorting out some difficulties.....before he went on to win og gold. Ventolin your reputation far outweighs your actual skills.
ventolin^3 wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:Obviously Lagat was better at 1500m but when Geb said his PB at his distances didn't finish 2ndclueless as usual
of course you never saw his 3'27.4 win whipping hicham - a clocking geb coud only dream of
Or fail any A tests
stoopid thinking as usual
A tests are never supposed to be revealed unless B is +ve
as far as we know geb may have had a dozen +ve A tests with all -ve B tests but lucky for him no 2-bit lab rat squealed on him
this is letsrun afterall wrote: didn't Jerry Lindgren run 16:04 for 4 miles?
Just a few seconds faster than hundreds of LRC posters. Self-timed PRs are funny things.
So What - Didn't Gerry Lingren run just over 16 flat for a 4 miler when he was still in high school? NOt impressed
1962, Baby! wrote:Cus it is 2-bit labs that do this testing?
nonsense
all the labs are wada approved & there aren't many of them either
And the 3:27 win was in 04 as El G was sorting out some difficulties.....before he went on to win og gold. Ventolin your reputation far outweighs your actual skills.
any "difficulties" he had were early season when trailing in well behind ramzi
you clearly know nothing about '04 as he looked in fantastic shape in zurich & ran 3'27.6 - his best clocking for 2y & as good as coud be expected as anyone with a clue knew he was on a downslide having only clocked 3'28.4 in '03
that zurich race he got demoralised as he wasn't pulling away from bernie as he always had & got brutally outkicked in the stretch
anyone who watched the '04 season closely wouda known that bernie had possibly mis-timed his peak - occuing in zurich rather than athens, because no way woud he have lost in athens in his zurich form