Parents decide. It happened away from school.
Parents decide. It happened away from school.
Washed Up Cheerleader wrote:
So my kid's HS had two varsity XC runners caught drinking (by the cops) at a college party.
What is the correct punishment, if any, from the XC coach?
Let's hear the collective wisdom from LetsRun!
Having you as a parent, isn't that punishment enough?
Washed Up Cheerleader wrote:
So my kid's HS had two varsity XC runners caught drinking (by the cops) at a college party.
What is the correct punishment, if any, from the XC coach?
Let's hear the collective wisdom from LetsRun!
There should be a rule in place that all know about beforehand.
The rule at my daughter's high school is that if you're drinking or using drugs or tobacco or even at a party where these things are being used (and you don't immediately leave), if the coach or administration finds out, you are immediately kicked off the team.
I agree with this rule.
kick em off. no brainer here.
I'm glad I don't live in the US. You have much bigger issues to worry about that a few kids doing the things that you did when you were young.
know your place wrote:
Many coaches don't see themselves as clergy.
They do see themselves as role models to young students. To turn a blind eye is wrong.
800 analyzer wrote:
well.... wrote:I can't imagine any high school these days doesn't have a published policy on alcohol use by athletes.
In Massachusetts, it's not even up to the school. According to the MIAA policy, if a student athlete is caught using drugs or alcohol at any point during the school year, he or she is suspended for 25% of the season; a second offense bumps the suspension up to 60%, and a third requires the student to attend a chemical dependency program.
Athletes are expected to know this.
Geez. I'm not sure how many teams could have been fielded in any sport if schools did this when I was HS aged. Drugs, I get it, those polices were and are justifiably harsh.
And yes alcohol use should be actively discouraged but wow, that is a bit much.
So you think that a student athlete, who gets caught for a third time using alcohol or drugs and is required to get treatment, does not need some kind of help? What a loser parent you'd make. "Actively Discouraged"? Are you kidding? Any kid that got caught three times obviously has a major problem. That kid needs some serious help, and getting kicked off the x-country team is the least of their worries.
ghost of MacTarnahan wrote:
So you think that a student athlete, who gets caught for a third time using alcohol or drugs and is required to get treatment, does not need some kind of help? What a loser parent you'd make. "Actively Discouraged"? Are you kidding? Any kid that got caught three times obviously has a major problem. That kid needs some serious help, and getting kicked off the x-country team is the least of their worries.
depends what they're getting caught for. Everybody on my XC team smoked weed/drank a hell of a lot more than 3 times my senior year and we all turned out fine, you just can't be stupid enough to get caught.
Goucher Needles wrote:
Coaches should never be permitted to establish team rules that conflict with the rules of their school or state. However legendary the coach, she or he should be required to implement rules with integrity. In the case of my state, Coach Newton would never be allowed to make a unilateral decision to kick a kid off a team for a first drinking offense. Neither would he be allowed to not suspend a student who'd been caught drinking because the kids is the number 1 runner on the team.
Coaches who don't follow the rules established by their institutions or states should be disciplined.
Coaches can and do kick kids off a team for rules that conflict with state law all the time. Are there laws against missing practice? Laws against having a crappy attitude? Laws against demonstrating poor sportsmanship? Laws against possessing not enough talent? (OK, that is cutting the kid, but essentially the same as kicking him/her off a team.)
Waterboarding.
Step 1 : Make Both of them drink a bottle of Jack Daniels or Tequila of some sort your preference
Step 2: Don't let them throw up
Step 3: 4am of the next morning wake them up for a 10 miler to get the Alcohol out of their system
Step 4: Sit back and watch them never want another drink in their life
Wow. Some of you guys are a bit insane. If it wasn't a team function, and their training wasn't affected, the XC coach should have nothing to do with it. Most of the varsity guys on my team use alcohol and/or drugs with some regularity, but we don't let it affect our running. One of my teammates who graduated last year called one of our assistant coaches (a young, super laid-back guy), and actually asked him to smoke weed with him and his friends. Granted, that's a bit far, but the point is that drinking at a party shouldn't lead to punishment in this part of their lives.
OnceATeenager wrote:
Step 1 : Make Both of them drink a bottle of Jack Daniels or Tequila of some sort your preference
Step 2: Don't let them throw up
good luck with that buddy
my XC and track team used to celebrate a victorious meet with a good ol bonfire that Friday or Saturday night.
All the guys would chip in for weed and a couple cases of beer along with a couple handles/half gals of cheap vodka to go along with it.
one of the guys (our best runner in fact, ~15:40 for the XC 5K) had a nice 2 ft glass bong we would all pass around the fire, sit back with some freshmen and sophomore girls and stare up at the stars listening to 90s rap like we were gangstas.
Point is, we all engaged in frequent substance abuse and for the most part we were all good. Nothing like a Saturday 200s workout on the track to kill a hangover.
True. Underage drinking. And felony arson.
I'm thinking that the latter may have weighed slightly on Coach Newton's decision. But who knows...to adequately test that, we'd need another pair of York varsity runners to do the arson without the drinking.
Quite a dense crowd we have in here tonight. The OP was clearly talking about kids that are not their own. I believe the intent was to take the scenario and use it as food for thought as to what would be the appropriate punishment a coach would be able to hand out. Instead, it sounds like a bunch of high schoolers got on here and responded about how they don't think old geezers should get in their way of breaking the law.
Three meets seems fair for a first offense.
I'm guessing this was mentioned already but I would tell them that sports is a priviledge that depends on ,grades,behavior,and showing they can make responsible decisions.If it is their first "offense",I wouldn't kick them of the team,unless there's a zero tolerance policy that the students know about.
As far as the parent's reaction,if it was me,I would ask them how often they drank in the past(I have a good relationship with my son so I would believe him),explain the trouble that he and his mom and I could get into if he continues drinking.Possibly take away driving priviledges until I was confident he wasn't using.If he was caught with pot on the other hand,I would just explain that it's illegal but I wouldn't be as concearned as drinking.
apathetic adult wrote:
Flagpole wrote:I agree with this rule.
You also must have a st*ck up your butt, you grouchy old man.
who cares? kids are going to have fun. There are consequences to getting in trouble for illegal things, but if my school had that rule back in the day (for even being at such a party) there would not be enough kids for an XC or track team.
Maybe if your school had that rule, more of your teammates wouldn't have engaged in such things.
High school kids don't need to be experimenting with alcohol and drugs (especially not that) and tobacco. The time for that is college (and I would argue no one should experiment with illegal drugs). I would like to see the drinking age lowered to 19 at a minimum and maybe even 18 if we keep saying 18 year olds are adults, but it shouldn't be allowed in high schools.
The culture at my daughter's high school is that the kids who participate in sports are generally speaking the ones who don't drink or smoke or do drugs, because they know that if they do they will be kicked off the team. That's a good thing.
"I may run cross next fall, but I will never sign that. Now me and my loser friends are gonna head out to buy Aerosmith tickets. Top priority of the summer. "