Syrai signs the CWC; giess who doesn't?

What is the definition of an American ally? On an ideological level, an ally is a country that shares America's values, reflects its founding spirit, and resonates with its people's beliefs. Tactically, an ally stands with the United States through multiple conflicts and promotes its global vision. From its location at one strategic crossroads, an ally enhances American intelligence and defense capabilities, and provides ports and training for U.S. forces. Its army is formidable and unequivocally loyal to its democratic government. An ally helps secure America's borders and assists in saving American lives on and off the battlefield. And an ally stimulates the U.S. economy through trade, technological innovation, and job creation.

Few countries fit this description, but Israel is certainly one of them.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/25/the_ultimate_ally

Dumb and dumber wrote:

Not an ally? Seriously?

Name one obligation Israel has to the USA.

Other than taking several billion of our taxpayer dollars every year.

Name one thing they have ever done for us.

Other than attacking the USS Liberty and dragging us into their conflicts with false flag ops and extorting our pols.

Seriously. The US gets a lot of the relationship. A big hit to our money, endless wars, millions of Muslims who now hate us, the rest of the world who now distrust us and laugh at the way Israel leads us around.

But as far as positive things -- nothing. Not a thing

[quote]Dumb and dumber wrote:

What is the definition of an American ally? On an ideological level, an ally is a country that shares America's values, reflects its founding spirit,

Nope. Allies share agreements.

Butchie wrote:

Nope. Allies share agreements.

Like these?

I found this on how Israel has been helping the US - I am changing my mind a little.

Butchie wrote:

and the fact that the NSA gave the Israel government all of our private emails, etc.

Fact checker wrote:

False.

Butchie wrote:

I am afraid you are misinformed. Probably on purpose. This is precisely what the NSA has done and is doing. Read the "Memorandum of Understanding"

I will refer you to section IV of the memorandum.

Yes israel attacked the Liberty 40 years ago. Japan attacked us too. Has either of them attacked us recently? But others have and we give them money.

Why would you expect a country surrounded by other countries and people who consider them an enemy and wish to wipe it off the map to give up any weapon?

Like it or not Israel is our closest ally in the region.

[quote]Coach wrote:

Yes israel attacked the Liberty 40 years ago. Japan attacked us too. Has either of them attacked us recently?

I seem to recall fighting a war with Japan following their attack on us.

Dumb and dumber wrote:

Butchie wrote:

Nope. Allies share agreements.

Like these?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/MOUs.html

Jewish virtual library.

Did you actually read any of this?

Maybe you did as you had the good sense to not list any of these agreements -- which are all one way streets

kondike5 wrote:

http://israelactnow.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-israel-does-for-united-states.html

I found this on how Israel has been helping the US - I am changing my mind a little.

Unless you actually read this blatant Israeli propaganda.

From an Israeli propaganda site

Fact checker wrote:

Butchie wrote:

and the fact that the NSA gave the Israel government all of our private emails, etc.

I am afraid you are misinformed. Probably on purpose. This is precisely what the NSA has done and is doing. Read the "Memorandum of Understanding"

I will refer you to section IV of the memorandum.[/quote]

You're going to have to do a little more than refer me to a section that places unenforceable and unchecked limits on the use of all the private data the NSA is providing to Israel to support your argument that the NSA is not giving this data to Israel

I appreciate this is an important topic but I don't understand why you choose this message board to relay your message so vehemently?

There are lots of other websites on the net where your points will be more much more widely read and intelligently discussed than this running forum.

confused.com wrote:

I appreciate this is an important topic but I don't understand why you choose this message board to relay your message so vehemently?

There are lots of other websites on the net where your points will be more much more widely read and intelligently discussed than this running forum.

Why aren't you making the same argument against those pushing the opposing point of view?

Or against everyone else who posts non-running threads?

Is there something wrong with being "vehement" in defense of my arguments?

Nothing wrong with arguing vehemently or passionatly - I just think its a waste of time doing so here.

If you think this is an important place to convey your thoughts then I suppose that's your prerogative.

At least his perogative isn't the systematic wasting of millions of white muslins by anti-semantic nA zI zIo Ni StS.

Butchie wrote:

You're going to have to do a little more than refer me to a section that places unenforceable and unchecked limits on the use of all the private data the NSA is providing to Israel to support your argument that the NSA is not giving this data to Israel

I'm sorry. I assumed you could read.

Kondike5 wrote:

But before examining their overheated rhetoric, consider the strong possibility that the administration spokesmen do not possess definitive proof that the Assad regime ordered chemical attacks on civilians on Aug. 21.

Apparently they do have proof. At least that's what we're hearing out of the UN and other sources today. But I'm sure you'll find some way to spin this into more anti-Israel hogwash.

Oh no you dint wrote:

Kondike5 wrote:

But before examining their overheated rhetoric, consider the strong possibility that the administration spokesmen do not possess definitive proof that the Assad regime ordered chemical attacks on civilians on Aug. 21.

Apparently they do have proof. At least that's what we're hearing out of the UN and other sources today. But I'm sure you'll find some way to spin this into more anti-Israel hogwash.

Complete nonsense. The UN is NOT even investigating who did the attacks. Look into it. This is yet more spin.

You should look into it. And notice the words "and other sources" in my previous post. The UN has confirmed that chemical weapons were used, while an independent source verified the shell casings used were from the Syrian military. You lose.