i'd say you have to be able to go under 60. i don't think anyone here can find a 15:00 guy that couldn't, if pressed, manage a 2:05ish 800, or a 59ish 400.
i'd say you have to be able to go under 60. i don't think anyone here can find a 15:00 guy that couldn't, if pressed, manage a 2:05ish 800, or a 59ish 400.
62-400
2:09-800
14:08-5000
slow old guy wrote:
62-400
2:09-800
14:08-5000
What kind of training did you do?
Are you still running and competing?
I'm running, but not competing.
I was a mileage guy once I hit my junior year in college, ran 48:20 for 10 miles when I was 22. The 2:09 800 was in a workout, actual race pr for 800 was and is 2:25 in HS. Long story, didn't like the track, so stayed away from it. Did break 9:00 for 2 miles in college, but that was the only race I ran on the track my sr. yr.
ConfusedHSer wrote:
Guys like you are why we never won any medals until 2012. You need to improve your speed. There's no way anyone can run 12:45 (61 pace) if they don't have sub 50 speed.
What? NONE of the 12:45 runners had sub-50 speed. ElG was close (12:50) and if Mo does it he'll be close (50.x).
And most guys can't do that. Salazar knows this. Magness knows this.
They're developing speed for 1) running form and 2) finishing kicks. But not sub-50.
Yes
I can do 400 - 62s - 63s with 2-3 min rest all day
200s - 26high
Yet to break 16:00 for 5000m
And I am not young (35 y.o)
ConfusedHSer wrote:
askdjaskld wrote:
Two teammates of mine who broke 30 for 10k had relatively weak 400m speed.
One had a HS PR of 56 but could not run much better than 58 when he later became a long distance guy (14:15, 29:25, 2:14 marathon)
The other had a 58 PR, eventually got to high 56s and ran 4:11 mile, 14:35, 29:53. He closed 29:53 with a 59. We did 400m TTs occasionally and he really could not go faster than the 56 high.
I ran 54.6...and my PRs were 15:45 and 32:59...
This was in the 80s/90s when we just did speedwork all the time and no real endurance training.
Moral of the story: concentrate on endurance. Very few people really need the speed in the end. Until you can run 12:45, someone is already going to have dropped you and you'll be kicking for something other than 1st place.
Guys like you are why we never won any medals until 2012. You need to improve your speed. There's no way anyone can run 12:45 (61 pace) if they don't have sub 50 speed. And most guys can't do that. Salazar knows this. Magness knows this. It's slowly trickling down to coaches at all levels. Hopefully within the next decade it will be standard practice for most teams.
You are just plain wrong. We all have a genetic limit to our speed which we achieve in our teens. Trying to "improve speed" is pointless, all you are doing is attaining your natural speed. Speed endurance however is something we improve over many years. And this applies to all race paces.
The story that you are replying to should be respected as instruction. Did you even bother to read it carefully before you replied? And then you want to lecture someone who knows more than you.
Sergecj wrote:
Yes
I can do 400 - 62s - 63s with 2-3 min rest all day
200s - 26high
Yet to break 16:00 for 5000m
And I am not young (35 y.o)
Threads like this thread only tell part of the story. Most on this site did not develop their 200m & 400m talent. If you were a 26.xx 200m athlete while training as a Clydesdale, imagine how much faster you would have been as a 200m & 400m athlete from age 7 to 22 if you trained for long sprints.