FARAH OVER ALAMIREW - 53.4 LAST LAP!!

El G could close in 52 eating a candy bar. KB did the same in his sleep. Move along.

^this

wtf nutcase wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

3'29.75

4'45.59

7'20.88

12'41.06

26'33.37

What a crackpot you are.

Farah will never approach any of those times.

err...

how fast for 1500 do you think he can go after showing recent 50.8 speed ???

elite 1500 guys wouda struggled to keep up if that had been a p!ss slow 1500 instead of a 5k

then consider that NO 1500 guy ever brought simultaneous huge sub-27 endurance to the table with it ( very likely below 26'40 )

what do you think he coud run currently for 1500, 3k, 5k ?

The Ethiopian with the best kick (last 400-200m) is Gebremeskel, not the two guys who were battling Mo over the last lap on Sunday. That is who he is really afraid of, as he has said before. Gebremeskel (and Soi, apparently, even though Mo was sick at Pre) are the only two guys who have a crazy ape-shit kick that can beat Mo. Jeilan doesn't look like he has it anymore -- 2011 worlds was a one-off. Lagat could have outkicked Mo a few years ago, not anymore. And none of these guys can just drop him. Mo can run under 12:50 if he has to. I personally think Gebremeskel is the only guy that can overpower him down the stretch. Otherwise, Mo wins again.

brick johnson wrote:

Mo can run under 12:50 if he has to.

No he cannot. It is delusional to say an individual can perform a feat if the individual has never done so before. There are fifteen runners who have dropped below 12:50 and Mo Farah is not among them. That is Mo's reality despite whatever times you claim he can run.

At best all you can say is two years ago Mo Farah ran 12:53 to win (when he had to).

ventolin^3 wrote:

[quote]wtf nutcase wrote:

[quote]ventolin^3 wrote:

3'29.75

4'45.59

7'20.88

12'41.06

26'33.37

no doubt moe can do 3:30 ish 1500m and 12:40 ish 5K.

if the right races comes along. just look at the guys that ran 49 second quarter with a 13:25 5k that could run 3:49 for the mile. then bring in moe who can surely go 50 flat open 400 and has a PB of 12:52 ( and he beats 12:4x guys.

to go 12:40 though moe would have to hire a couple of kenyans in 12:50 shape to pace him to 4K. this is the problem.

so, moe is laughing now because he's got the Ethiopians thinking they have go from a long way out.

Moe ain't going to do it the same way every time. i'd expect the last 3k in the champs to be 7:40 or a bit less. and i think moe will strike according to the needs of the situations.

of course moe will remember the "random african" phenomena,

some kenyan can peak just right and ruin all the plans.

all considered, i'm thinking moe might strike from 600m out.

and smash them all.

moe's the man.

observationalist wrote:

It is delusional to say an individual can perform a feat if the individual has never done so before.

At best all you can say is two years ago Mo Farah ran 12:53 to win (when he had to).

That's the worst definition of delusion I've ever seen. Everyone who has ever predicted a PR was delusional? What about the whole thread predicting Teg's marathon debut? All those posters are delusional? I guess it's delusional to believe that Teg can even finish a marathon.

Why in the world anyone would think it's crazy to think that Mo might be able to run a 3 second PR in the 5000 is beyond me.

brick johnson wrote:

The Ethiopian with the best kick (last 400-200m) is Gebremeskel, not the two guys who were battling Mo over the last lap on Sunday. That is who he is really afraid of, as he has said before. Gebremeskel (and Soi, apparently, even though Mo was sick at Pre) are the only two guys who have a crazy ape-shit kick that can beat Mo. Jeilan doesn't look like he has it anymore -- 2011 worlds was a one-off. Lagat could have outkicked Mo a few years ago, not anymore. And none of these guys can just drop him. Mo can run under 12:50 if he has to. I personally think Gebremeskel is the only guy that can overpower him down the stretch. Otherwise, Mo wins again.

Yes, I remember noticing at the Olympic 5000 that it looked like Gebremeskel actually did the homestretch faster than Mo, had he not been boxed in up until then we'd might have had a photo finish. This year up until his world leading 26,51 for the 10000 the other day (in his debut over the distance?) we've seen nothing of that though, he might not even make the team for 5000.

As for Jeilan one gotta wonder why he was in this race in Birmingham since he probably will only run the 10000 in Moscow? (Dude was a HM runner who went down to 10000 in 2011). Tempo run under competitive conditions as he's training with the other guys? He smoothed to a solid fourth place but didn't seem that interrested in going with the top three on the last lap. Maybe they'll use him as a hard out pacer over the first five laps in the 5000 in Moscow, trying to make it a 12:40-12:45 race and call Mo out on speed before the last lap?

Buffalo Orange wrote:

That's the worst definition of delusion I've ever seen.

You seem confused between "usage" and "definition"?

There are predictions, opinions, and claims. If someone "claims" Mo can run sub 12:50 to win if he has to, this is not a prediction, but a claim. For a claim to be valid it must have some evidence to hold it up. My counterpoint is that at Mo's best he ran 12:53 for the win, which was 2 years ago.

I used "delusional" because posters are often seen projecting times runners can run, despite any real evidence supporting it.

big woop wrote:

El G could close in 52 eating a candy bar. KB did the same in his sleep. Move along.

I agree 100%. I see these types of threads routinely, where the OP gets excited about a final lap that is pretty ordinary. Sure it is fast for us regular runners, but 53.4 is nothing to get excited about at the highest level, especially given the average overall pace.

observationalist wrote:

I used "delusional" because posters are often seen projecting times runners can run, despite any real evidence supporting it.

Fair enough, and I disagree with the guys hollering that Ben True will go sub-13 any day now. But to me, Mo running 12:53 and winning is fairly strong evidence that, if that race had been a mere three seconds faster, he might well have still won. Not a guarantee, but a good chance.

I think Mo's relatively slow times in the 2 years since that 12:53 have more to do with the tactics of the races he's been in than with his fitness. He's been successful with a sit-and-kick strategy, so he's not too motivated to push the pace early. But what I really wonder is when someone is going to show the stones to make Mo kick off a faster pace. At this point, it's just dumb to keep leaving it down to the last lap.

ventolin^3 wrote:

err...

how fast for 1500 do you think he can go after showing recent 50.8 speed ???

elite 1500 guys wouda struggled to keep up if that had been a p!ss slow 1500 instead of a 5k

then consider that NO 1500 guy ever brought simultaneous huge sub-27 endurance to the table with it ( very likely below 26'40 )

what do you think he coud run currently for 1500, 3k, 5k ?

Why are you arguing with yourself here? And why do you post as "just sayin" and "someone had to do it?" Everyone knows it's you.

Your calculator is ridiculous and you are completely insane. No one likes you.

you are insane wrote:

Your calculator is ridiculous and you are completely insane. No one likes you.

Well, I like Ventolin. And I'm sure quite a few others appreciate his contributions too.

ksksk wrote:

you are insane wrote:

Your calculator is ridiculous and you are completely insane. No one likes you.

Well, I like Ventolin. And I'm sure quite a few others appreciate his contributions too.

I liked his delusion that world xc wasn't short despite near WR track pace. That was spectacular.

mulva wrote:

ksksk wrote:

Well, I like Ventolin. And I'm sure quite a few others appreciate his contributions too.

I liked his delusion that world xc wasn't short despite near WR track pace. That was spectacular.

Or when he said that Wilson Kiprop would win the Olympic 10k in 26:3x LOL

I also like Ventolin, minus the juvenile taunts, and am more and more becoming convinced that Mo actually is a 12:40 runner. It's the transition from a 12:57 runner in 2010 to someone who is likely to win 5-6 championship medals in 3 years that raises alarms. TO move from rank 5-10 to dominant favorite should be cause for widespread skepticism.

But it does seem clear that it's more than just the athlete with the best speed who wins at the end. Canova said that Merga had 54 400 speed and that was good enough for a bronze in the 10k and what would have been a bronze at the 5 if he hadn't blown it. Mo's ~50/51 speed is good enough to win because he has the most in the tank when it matters.

I'd love to see him in a post-Moscow 5k time trial rabitted by Isaiah Koech or something.

Mo in a perfectly paced race is probably between 12:40 and 12:45...about the same as the ethiopians.

The ethiopians are not in so much better shape than him that they can run away from him. When has anyone ran away from him in the past couple years when he is at his best?

Today he closed in 25.8/53.4/1:51ish. That's insane. A 53.4 last lap is great...but the fact that the penultimate 400 was still fairly solid (57.99 for leader).

Farah is almost certainly in 3:30 shape for 1500m, if not better. He just ran last 800m at ~3:28 pace. Slow race? Sure. But I think he is in 3:29-3:30 form...and probably sub 7:25 shape as well for 3000m.

I really wish he time trialed more, to be honest. Winning races in 13:05-13:20 with a 53 last quarter is kinda getting old.

As for Ventolin? ...his calculator is his religion, and his religion is sometimes wrong, often obviously so. That and his "moron", "idiot", "kennster" talk is fairly annoying. But, that's what makes this site great, right? The personalities...

That was amazing. I haven't stepped on a track in 10 yrs but I got that racing knot in my stomach watching the last 800 of that race. Truly a great and gutsy finish.

I\'ve come to the conclusion that Mo Farrah is a Competitior.