You have no idea what it takes to put on a track meet, especially one that meets IAAF qualifying standards.
- Officials ain't free
- Tracks ain't free
- Timing ain't free
- A bunch of sub 32:00 10k guys ain't free (although Nike should require the OTC squad to do this thing)
So...how much?
-Official for one race-under $100
-Track- not hard to find one for free, might need to pay small fee to use one to put on race, but not much $100
-Timing- under $200
-any women that can run close to 32:00 belong to club or group that have half dozen guys that can run that fast with no problems.
There might be fees for USA T&F or IAAF, but meet can be put on cheap. Have a few open races that charge entry fees, get sponsors to cover some of the cost, there might even be enough of a draw to be able to charge a fee to watch.
Unfortunately, NO:
-Official for one race-under $100 (That would be officialS... re USATF Rule Book. Look it up)
-Track- not hard to find one for free, might need to pay small fee to use one to put on race, but not much $100 (Insurance, every heard of it? Not cheap for any athletic event because of risk & responsibility)
-Timing- under $200 (You are on crack. Email
or
;
or flashresults.com to see what they charge for FAT timing - they are professionals and get paid)
-Any women that can run close to 32:00 belong to club or group that have half dozen guys that can run that fast with no problems. (Very naive here)
There might be fees for USA T&F or IAAF, but meet can be put on cheap. Have a few open races that charge entry fees, get sponsors to cover some of the cost, there might even be enough of a draw to be able to charge a fee to watch. (Ask AMC Series that charges $30 per athlete per event... they have no sponsor and don't break even)
Anything else, slugo?
Interesting notes in green on page 14:http://www.usatf.org/groups/officials/files/resources/rules/2012-IAAF-The-Referee.pdf
IAAF wrote:
The intent of this Rule is to facilitate the conduct of Field Events and in races of 5000m or longer,
when small numbers of athletes only are entered in one or both genders or where in the case of
longer events (i.e. a track race walk of 10,000m or more), timetabling constraints make it difficult
to program separate races. The intent of the Rule is not to provide opportunity for women to compete
in races against men to achieve potentially better performance conditions.
Government Cheese wrote: Being allowed under the rules and being ethical are not always entirely synonymous
anonymouse wrote: Care to explain this?
It means Cheese loves to break rules. Only he can determine which rules are fair and which are not. The rest of our opinions don't count in his small, small world.
?????????????? wrote:
-Official for one race-under $100
-Track- not hard to find one for free, might need to pay small fee to use one to put on race, but not much $100
-Timing- under $200
-any women that can run close to 32:00 belong to club or group that have half dozen guys that can run that fast with no problems.
There might be fees for USA T&F or IAAF, but meet can be put on cheap. Have a few open races that charge entry fees, get sponsors to cover some of the cost, there might even be enough of a draw to be able to charge a fee to watch.
Whoa, this post actually makes sense!
gzimmerman and others, if you really want to complain about unfair resources, just look at all the expensive facilities that Americans have.
In Iten, Kenya, if it rains hard, you can't train for several days. If you get injured, there's no equipment to help you - Abel Kirui missed 17 days due to minor injuries in two months leading up to WC's. If you have to travel to get a visa or to visit a sick family member that's another couple days.
Even our high schoolers have an unfair advantage over most of the world of Athletics. So unless you want our runners to live in huts and train in the mud let's drop this complete non-issue of Jordan Hasay using male pacers to chase a dumb time standard.
Crazy Raisin--impressive posts lately!
crazy raisin wrote:
?????????????? wrote:-Official for one race-under $100
-Track- not hard to find one for free, might need to pay small fee to use one to put on race, but not much $100
-Timing- under $200
-any women that can run close to 32:00 belong to club or group that have half dozen guys that can run that fast with no problems.
There might be fees for USA T&F or IAAF, but meet can be put on cheap. Have a few open races that charge entry fees, get sponsors to cover some of the cost, there might even be enough of a draw to be able to charge a fee to watch.
Whoa, this post actually makes sense!
gzimmerman and others, if you really want to complain about unfair resources, just look at all the expensive facilities that Americans have.
In Iten, Kenya, if it rains hard, you can't train for several days. If you get injured, there's no equipment to help you - Abel Kirui missed 17 days due to minor injuries in two months leading up to WC's. If you have to travel to get a visa or to visit a sick family member that's another couple days.
Even our high schoolers have an unfair advantage over most of the world of Athletics. So unless you want our runners to live in huts and train in the mud let's drop this complete non-issue of Jordan Hasay using male pacers to chase a dumb time standard.
Veronica Capshaw wrote:
Would Pre had needed pacers if attempting a goal time? Of course not - he would have toed the starting line and just taken off. No pacers, no ice vests, no underwater treadmills, no PEDs, no calming talks, no hotel visits. Nothing. He would have just lined up and taken off. Alberto's runners are babies. Need to be tended to. Treated like prima donnas.
And Pre would be telling you to shut up and get with the modern world.
crazy raisin wrote:
Why does Salazar try to help his athletes so much?
Why is Salazar smart?
Why can't he just do things the way everyone else does, and be as unsuccessful as everyone else?
Lol, you been on a roll man.
Post of the Year.
there are 2 womens 10000 meter races this thursday one in ostrava featuring tirunesh dibaba, ond one in sollentuna featuring meseret defar.
as for mixed races, i feel hey the women still have to run the time on their own legs. so erdman and hasay having male pacers is fine
the top women consider the 2:15.25 by radcliffe the record even though radcliffe was literally paced every step of the way by simon lopuyet.
when defar or t. dibaba have been asked about the marathon they say the world record of 2:15.25 ia a hard record, they DONT SAY the real record is 2:17.28 and the 2:15 should not count due to mens pacing.
bottom line they have to run their time on their own legs.
Who cares how Hasay and Erdmann get the A and B standards.
If they do get the standards, they still had to go out and get the time.
This is like Paula Radcliffe's marathon WR. People didn't want her 2:15 to count because she ran with guys, but Radcliffe still ran 2:15. Who cares how. She was a woman who went out ran 2:15. It's not like the pacers picked her up and carried her part of the way. She ran every step of the way, just like Hasay and Erdmann have to do.
Blowing Rock.Master wrote:
Ridiculous that times from mixed track races are valid, but not mixed road races.
and why is it ridiculous? does this rule affect you in any way shape or form? i guarantee it doesn't.
stick with the makeup and barbie dolls, junior.
douglas burke wrote:
there are 2 womens 10000 meter races this thursday one in ostrava featuring tirunesh dibaba, ond one in sollentuna featuring meseret defar.
as for mixed races, i feel hey the women still have to run the time on their own legs. so erdman and hasay having male pacers is fine
the top women consider the 2:15.25 by radcliffe the record even though radcliffe was literally paced every step of the way by simon lopuyet.
when defar or t. dibaba have been asked about the marathon they say the world record of 2:15.25 ia a hard record, they DONT SAY the real record is 2:17.18 and the 2:15 should not count due to mens pacing.
bottom line they have to run their time on their own legs.
A Duck wrote:
Veronica Capshaw wrote:Would Pre had needed pacers if attempting a goal time? Of course not - he would have toed the starting line and just taken off. No pacers, no ice vests, no underwater treadmills, no PEDs, no calming talks, no hotel visits. Nothing. He would have just lined up and taken off. Alberto's runners are babies. Need to be tended to. Treated like prima donnas.
And Pre would be telling you to shut up and get with the modern world.
Runners in the modern world can't run goal pace without pacers?
And they will. Jordan and Terra will run well to stamp their way into Moscow.
How about doing the race on alter g's.
Indoors of course.
long sox wrote:
Interesting notes in green on page 14:
http://www.usatf.org/groups/officials/files/resources/rules/2012-IAAF-The-Referee.pdfIAAF wrote:The intent of this Rule is to facilitate the conduct of Field Events and in races of 5000m or longer,
when small numbers of athletes only are entered in one or both genders or where in the case of
longer events (i.e. a track race walk of 10,000m or more), timetabling constraints make it difficult
to program separate races. The intent of the Rule is not to provide opportunity for women to compete
in races against men to achieve potentially better performance conditions.
Good catch, assume Alberto will get an okay from USATF/IAAF on this.
Women being paced by men means nothing to me. When I was in high school, college guys and "pro's" paced me in road races all the time.
You and your heart, lungs, arms, legs, body, still have to run the distance/race.
It's the powers that be trying to be a hard asz about Paula running a record in a mixed race. WTF?
It doesn't matter, she still had to run every step.
YES, and in the end, THEY WILL BOTH QUALIFY and move on to Moscow.
YES, and in the end, THEY WILL BOTH QUALIFY and move on to Moscow.