Yes, he's coached by Mark Coogan, Dartmouth coach and coach of Abbey D'Agostino.
The couple years before that he was coached by Tim Broe in NH.
Before that, he did a year or so at OTC Eugene.
Before that he was a cross country skiier/1500 runner at Dartmouth.
Before that he was a top finisher at Foot Locker.
ventolin^3 wrote:
if hagos is in 12'40 - 12'45 shape, then 7s behind, bigged up to maybe more like 10+ sec for a faster pace indicates more like 12'50 - 12'55 for ben
10? 7 seconds over the last lap could mean a 20 second difference in fitness. over two laps, slightly less. does anyone have the video or splits of the race?
ventolin^3 wrote:
[quote]longjack wrote:
i don't think he ran his best possible race, even for a tactical one in berlin '09 & still finished 6th - the pace was only 13'40 at 1/2 way & kennster went 13'06 for 2nd 5k !!!
ritz was certainly capable of long way below 27 that day but pretty much plodded on at same slow pace from the gun
So, Ritz was on 27:20 pace and finished in 27:22, in a race where he could have run much faster? Give it up, Ritz will never reach his 12:56 form.
Solinsky ran 26:59 after a winter of what he described as marathon training and then 12:55 later that season. Ritz coming off many years of marathon training ran 12:56.. could he not have also run sub-27 in the right race?
do you wonder why they all failed when it matters?
Why do you see it as a failure?
Paris was one race. All the DL 5000s the past 5 years have been 12:50s except for Kipchoge in Doha. I hope these guys go 12:4x regularly but almost never happens.So, if you can break 13 you can be in the mix in the DL. See Ritz and Solinsky taking 3rd. Mottram mixed it up as well.I think there were few a paced 10000s in 2012 The Bekeles were around 27 in two races before the Olympics. I think Bett and Chepkok went about 26:50 after the Olympics. I doubt they were far off of Baroki, Masai and Kiprop in terms of fitness. I see no evidence that there are people capable of going much faster than 12:50 and 26:45s. I hope that changes.
ventolin^3 wrote:
random Villager wrote:the depth is all at 12:52-13, 26:45-27:00 and 59:00 halfseh ???
were you asleep when the paris race was on last year ???
6 guys went 12'46.8 - 12'49.5
& that still had only a semi-competent 4th km
the level is now 12'45 - 12'50 for top guys
as for 10k, we didn't actually have a paced race last year with the fastest guys
1 fast 10k last year with 26'51/26'52 from 3rd string african 10k guys - emmanuel bett ( who ? ), chepkok - a 5k guy running his 1st serious 10k ( 28'23pb ), kipkemoi ( another who ? )
these guys are long way behind 2nd string africans like wilson kiprop, komon ( not at his peak last year ), masai, gebremarian, shinester, rotich
& then 1st tier guys like mo, rupp, the 2 bekeles, jeilan
as for 1/2M - 4 guys have gone 58'47 - 59'00 since start '12 & there is lot of road running to come
Rv wrote:Paris was one race
it only takes 1 race
6 guys sub-12'50 shows that is their level if they get a semi-decent 4th k, which isiah did in paris & has almost never been done in past few years
sub-12'50 is there level
learn
All the DL 5000s the past 5 years have been 12:50s except for Kipchoge in Doha. I hope these guys go 12:4x regularly but almost never happens
& that's because they invariably went 7'40+ to 10'20 when pacer dropped out & no one bothered to take on the 4th, killing a fast time
isiah kept it somewhat alive in 4th km & 6 guys sub-12'50 is the result
So, if you can break 13 you can be in the mix in the DL. See Ritz and Solinsky taking 3rd. Mottram mixed it up as well
try more like sub-12'50
I think there were few a paced 10000s in 2012
name them apart from brussels
The Bekeles were around 27 in two races before the Olympics
both semi-official ethiopian trials races in hengelo & birmingham
no pacing in either
I think Bett and Chepkok went about 26:50 after the Olympics. I doubt they were far off of Baroki, Masai and Kiprop in terms of fitness
your joking
chepkok wasn't even a 10k guy
he had a 28'23pb coming into brussels
bett finished 4th in trials, 6s behind kiprop the winner - that puts his 26'51 into some perspective - all of it on last few laps ( maybe even last lap )
kipkemoi who went 26'52 had a 27'19pb before race earlier in year & a 27'48 before that in nairobi in '11
no one considered him any kind of elite kenyan 10k talent & i don't think he even bothered with the trials
2 of the 3 brussels guys were nobodies in terms of elite kenyan 10k guys before the race
I see no evidence that there are people capable of going much faster than 12:50 and 26:45s
you clearly don't know much about the current talent in the 5 & 10k
'i have little doubt he couda gone 3'36 or even 3'35 at even pace'
What was that 5,000m in the wind worth?
Sorry Ventolin^3, but I'm going to have to agree with the majority of posters here. I can see True running 12:58-13:07 this year for the 5k and 26:55-27:10 for the 10k.
While he has competed well in slower, more tactical races, as well as more strength based races, I do not see him having the kind of speed it takes to even get close to approaching 12:50 or 26:40s.
I would be shocked if he ran anywhere near these times.
Furthermore, Gebriwhet has not run anything this year to make me think he is in world record shape. 14:43-14:46 is reasonable, but I don't see a sub 14:40 coming anytime soon, unless he drugs up.
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Solinsky ran 26:59 after a winter of what he described as marathon training and then 12:55 later that season. Ritz coming off many years of marathon training ran 12:56.. could he not have also run sub-27 in the right race?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgdFrUjKppQhttp://imgur.com/XS1rNcKThe Rocket. wrote:While he has competed well in slower, more tactical races, as well as more strength based races, I do not see him having the kind of speed it takes to even get close to approaching 12:50 or 26:40s
he's got plenty of speed - that 1500 was something like 3'36 in a fast race ( & in an interview he said it was difficult to get the pace right as he hadn't run one for a long time )
i doubt tergat had anything better than 3'36 at his peak, so that kinda speed is more than enough to go long way below 13 or 27
Furthermore, Gebriwhet has not run anything this year to make me think he is in world record shape. 14:43-14:46 is reasonable, but I don't see a sub 14:40 coming anytime soon, unless he drugs up.
eh ??
last year he went 12'47 with a 54 or 55 finish - worth below 12'45 if he'd run it at even pace
no one doubts he's better this year & been utterly dominant
he's likely to be close to 12'40 currently
actually, that paris race was more impressive than i thought ( only really watched last coupla laps before )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEtHwH-Phc
7'43 at 3k ( 12'51 pace ) - expected pace from rabbits
then isiah took over but he didn't really do that much, putting in a 2'36 ( 13'00 pace ) to take it to 10'19 ( 12'53 pace )
isiah only did a sub-par maintenance km, but it was a lot better than the utter rubbish we've been seeing for the 4th km ( usually 2'38 or even 2'40 ) in recent years
gebremeskel's finish was incredible & i have little doubt he was in 12'40 shape if they couda got faster 3k & certainly 4th km
hagos wouda been little bit behind & i actually think kenyans wouda been perhaps even a bit closer - the sprint finished them - i think they prefer faster sustained pace - strength rather than just speed
Coogan is a great guy and coach , but a college coach. He has yet to really coach this level of world class. Broe is not an elite world class coach.
Lets hope Coogan reaches out for some help.
gulp wrote:
Coogan is a great guy and coach , but a college coach. He has yet to really coach this level of world class.
That does not mean he is not capable of it