Multiple Polls: Americans Are More Afraid of the GOVERNMENT than TERRORISTS

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11 years ago 04/30/2013 12:58pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
HRE wrote:
You now can be arrested as a terrorist and be held indefinitely without a trial. That's totally unprecedented in US history and a major breach of the Constitution. You can be executed by the government without a trial or conviction as long as the president deems you a national security threat. Wiretaps are much easier to do. And I do count all the TSA crap as a lost freedom.
can US citizens he held indefinitely w/o a trial? If true, that is unacceptable. Examples?
by execution you are probably referring to drone strikes on a US citizen in yemen or something like that. That is probably illegal but a lost freedom? bit of a stretch, that. Does any citizen of any country have the freedom to go to another country and plot violence against it? Not really a freedom, is it?
wiretaps are an issue, I'll grant you that. But some of the excesses have been pulled back in, I believe. still a problem, although now you have to have a warrant from a judge, which is the same as always, so I'm not sure how much of a change that is.
TSA: well, ok. and every office bldg in manhattan has security guards, and at the met museum they poke through your purse. annoying, yes. Loss of freedom...I don't think it rises to that level.
and in any case, the new freedoms brought on by the internet and wealth have added freedoms that previous generations could not dream of.
So maybe there has been a tradeoff of bags being checked, but in return you get all the knowledge of the world, for free.
honestly, do you think someone of the 1880s was more free than today? he lived to 50, had terrible health, perhaps illiterate, no health care, no retirement...I'm not sure that is a sort of freedom I would want.

well, duh! do you really think that those advances are due to fewer freedoms? You realy are dumb.

11 years ago 04/30/2013 1:03pm EDT

re: yogibear

yogibear wrote:
Multi-million corporatists have funded the right wing noise machine for several decades. Their "message"(brainwashing) is that government is evil. They want the public to have this view in order to shrink government.
They want less regulation and inspectors. And they have got it.
An oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico blows up and kills more than a dozen people and devastates the economy of the southern seaboard. Atlas Shrugged.
A coal mine explodes and kills more than two dozen workers. Atlas Shrugged.
A fertilizer plant explodes and kills more than three dozen people. Atlas Shrugged.
And the number of people killed by food poisoning is in the hundreds.
But Atlas Shrugs. It is just the cost of doing business.
The corporations have used their money to buy political clout to hamstring government safety programs. They realize millions of additional profit, and if by some miracle the government holds them accountable they will happily pay the $100,000 fine.
Exxon Valdez is a good example. A jury awarded $5 Billion for the spill. Exxon fought in court for 20 years and ended paying about $1 Billion. So if you were one of the 38,000 litigants you waited 20 years to get 20%. Corporate justice.
Real media is becoming extinct. The fake media funded by big money conservatives have instilled a false knowledge in a large fraction of the population. A lot of polls have been done demonstrating the effect of conservative brainwashing.
Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11.
Saddam had WMDs.
The moon landing was faked.
Obama raised taxes in his first term.
The deficit has gone up under Obama.
Oh, and...
George Bush kept us safe. (no, really, 9/11 happened during someone else's presidency)
I am not at all surprised by polling results which show some people fear the US government more than terrorists. The right wing media has been lying to them for a very long time.

Right wing media. What a laugh.

11 years ago 04/30/2013 6:27pm EDT

re: Shocked

Shocked wrote:
Right wing media. What a laugh.

No, it is not funny.

Do you know who Ted Koppel is? He was the anchor for Nightline.

How did Nightline get its start? It morphed from the news coverage of the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979-1980.

Remember?

AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE. DAY 100. DAY 200. DAY 300. DAY 400.

The "Liberal Media" pound President Carter every night in prime time for more than a year leading up to the election.

Pounding on the liberals was so lucrative Koppel got a full time gig out of it.

--------------------------

Up until the mid early '90s the media was mostly centrist and provided middle of the road coverage, which usually favored Democrats because Republicans tended to be dirtier (Iran-Contra, S&L scandal, etc.)

A conservative politico came up with the idea of attacking the media and forcing it to slant its coverage. The meme of the "Liberal Media" was born. Limbaugh and the others in AM radio pushed it.

Pretty soon the media started slanting its coverage to favor the right to try and quiet the criticism, and many people started putting their own slant on the already slanted news, to account for the spin of the "Liberal Media."

A good example is the Sunday talk shows. Count up how many liberal are guests and how many conservatives are guests. When Bush was president the ratio was about 70% conservative to 30% liberal. Since Obama has been president it dropped to about 60% conservative to 40% liberal, but still the conservatives, despite being the minority party, are given more chances to push talking points.

After two decades of conservative lies filling the airwaves it's no surprise a large fraction of the nation is ignorant of basic facts.

A recent example: FEMA is going to round up conservatives and put them in concentration camps so Obama can kill them with death panels.

Or: Obama is coming for your guns.

Or: Obama is a secret homosexual America-hating Kenyan socialist Marxist terrorist-loving communist muslim reptilian shapeshifter CIA agent who has teleported to Mars and wants to turn America into an Islamic empire with fluoridated water.

The internet media says so, it must be true.

11 years ago 04/30/2013 7:09pm EDT

re: tyranny abounds

New york Times poll or Fox poll? If Fox Polls were so good, right now we would be hearing about how president Romney caused the stock marget to do so well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/us/poll-finds-strong-acceptance-for-public-surveillance.html?hp&_r=0

11 years ago 04/30/2013 7:22pm EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
New york Times poll or Fox poll? If Fox Polls were so good, right now we would be hearing about how president Romney caused the stock marget to do so well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/us/poll-finds-strong-acceptance-for-public-surveillance.html?hp&_r=0

You seem to be implying that a public opinion poll is an epistemological validation of an idea. But that would be silly, so I'll let you clarify what you hoped to prove by citing the outcome of a poll.

11 years ago 04/30/2013 7:31pm EDT

re: The Liberal "Mind"

This whole thread was based on a poll of dubious validity. If people were really so frightened of the government public survellance would not be so widely sccepted.

11 years ago 04/30/2013 7:34pm EDT

re: yogibear

yogibear wrote:
Up until the mid early '90s the media was mostly centrist and provided middle of the road coverage, which usually favored Democrats because Republicans tended to be dirtier (Iran-Contra, S&L scandal, etc.)

Ah yes, the "Keating Five"

Alan Cranston (D-CA)

Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ)

John Glenn (D-OH)

John McCain (R-AZ)

Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI)

Nothing but a bunch of those darn dirty Republicans...........

11 years ago 04/30/2013 9:41pm EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
If people were really so frightened of the government public survellance would not be so widely sccepted.

If people were really so afraid of police, they wouldn't be so accepting of being tazered by them.

11 years ago 05/01/2013 8:46am EDT

re: yogibear

yogibear wrote:
Shocked wrote:
Right wing media. What a laugh.
No, it is not funny.
Do you know who Ted Koppel is? He was the anchor for Nightline.
How did Nightline get its start? It morphed from the news coverage of the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979-1980.
Remember?
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE. DAY 100. DAY 200. DAY 300. DAY 400.
The "Liberal Media" pound President Carter every night in prime time for more than a year leading up to the election.
Pounding on the liberals was so lucrative Koppel got a full time gig out of it.
--------------------------
Up until the mid early '90s the media was mostly centrist and provided middle of the road coverage, which usually favored Democrats because Republicans tended to be dirtier (Iran-Contra, S&L scandal, etc.)
A conservative politico came up with the idea of attacking the media and forcing it to slant its coverage. The meme of the "Liberal Media" was born. Limbaugh and the others in AM radio pushed it.
Pretty soon the media started slanting its coverage to favor the right to try and quiet the criticism, and many people started putting their own slant on the already slanted news, to account for the spin of the "Liberal Media."
A good example is the Sunday talk shows. Count up how many liberal are guests and how many conservatives are guests. When Bush was president the ratio was about 70% conservative to 30% liberal. Since Obama has been president it dropped to about 60% conservative to 40% liberal, but still the conservatives, despite being the minority party, are given more chances to push talking points.
After two decades of conservative lies filling the airwaves it's no surprise a large fraction of the nation is ignorant of basic facts.
A recent example: FEMA is going to round up conservatives and put them in concentration camps so Obama can kill them with death panels.
Or: Obama is coming for your guns.
Or: Obama is a secret homosexual America-hating Kenyan socialist Marxist terrorist-loving communist muslim reptilian shapeshifter CIA agent who has teleported to Mars and wants to turn America into an Islamic empire with fluoridated water.
The internet media says so, it must be true.

You sure are smarter than the average bear. Too bad the average bear is a moron. If you really think the news media has a slant to the right, then you are not watching any of them.

11 years ago 05/01/2013 8:53am EDT

re: Shocked

Ted Koppel's toupee was hilarious.

11 years ago 05/01/2013 10:38am EDT

re: Shocked

Shocked wrote:
If you really think the news media has a slant to the right, then you are not watching any of them.

The media has a slant to the right, and a slant to the left, both of them being controled by the puppeters at the top.

authoritarian

conservative liberal

The purpose of the two party system is to get people to argue between them, so they are not conscious of who is pulling their strings and the atrocities being committed by the puppeters at the top.

11 years ago 05/01/2013 5:45pm EDT

re: tyranny abounds

Its rather odd all these antigovernment posts on this thread. Back in the 70's we called all these angry antiauthority and antigovernment types hippies and radicals. They didn't want any rules or regulations controlling and preventing them from doing what they wanted to do.

The funny thing is, now these people are calling themselves conservatives. They remind me of the radical hippies back in the day that preached civil disobedience.

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