suspects are brothers, suspect 2 DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV is 19 years old.

yuiop wrote:

No offense, but I've spent a lot of time following the news this week and other than a crack pot on either side posting on the Internet, I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media to indicate that there was "hope it was a white tax protester." Throughout the week CNN's experts have hinted towards a Muslim extremist. And according to this site, CNN is the ultimate left-leaning, Muslim-loving news source.

But instead let's turn this into a left vs. right issue...

Apparently you haven't been reading lets run then. I'll give you a quick rehash:

I even posted this on the first thread above in response to another poster, who i respect:

"It is hard to pinpoint exactly why or when America lost its soul and became so brutish, unthinking and deaf to others. So uncharitable. It certainly isn’t how we reacted in the aftermath of 9/11.

Was it spawned by the blind hatred in some of former President George W. Bush? Is it because of the blind hatred in others today of Mr. Obama? Or is there just so much regret on both sides that the unity after 9/11 birthed two unpopular wars and turned the federal government into an even more unpopular security leviathan?

Whatever it is, it is corroding the soul of America and our soul must be cleansed of it before we will ever be great again."

So conservative commentators use the word tyrant (though I've never heard it)? What about this clown? Is this constructive?

The Washington Times article is right, even if you don't like the source. There is a rush to judgement on both sides, and it just leads to further polarization and divisiveness, not constructive dialogue."

And let's not forget these infamous words of a frequent liberal poster who shall go unnamed but wrote the following on a different thread: "April 19 was the end date of Waco. So, April 19 was also the date of Oklahoma City, which was chosen to commemorate Waco. Pretty close to tax day." Great deductive reasoning by someone who should know better. Sounds like hopelessly biased optimism for some ammunition.

Dude, where have you been?

Yes, Matthews has a big mouth. Any chance, prior to the brothers becoming suspects, that a search for "boston muslim bomber" wouldn't have resulted in an equal number of hits/accusations?

Sagarin -

My making educated guesses about the perps and their motives does not equal hoping it was a tea partier commemorating patriot's day.

As a LE guy said, to paraphrase, the clues led in both directions - homegrown and islamist. It was never an easy call.

That said, I should have shut up because subtelty and nuance is not communicable on the lrc boards.

agip wrote:

Sagarin -

My making educated guesses about the perps and their motives does not equal hoping it was a tea partier commemorating patriot's day.

As a LE guy said, to paraphrase, the clues led in both directions - homegrown and islamist. It was never an easy call.

That said, I should have shut up because subtelty and nuance is not communicable on the lrc boards.

There's nothing "educated" about suggesting that the bombers were Tea Partiers. The Tea Party has never been linked to violence. "Tax Day" violence is non existent.

But there is no end to calling the Tea Party "extremeists" and "racists" by the left, and especially the left wing media.

well I shouldn't have said 'tea partiers' -i should have said right wing militants.

who, as some poster has been pointing out, have killed more american civilians than muslim extremists since 9/11.

And look, you can deny that april is an important month to right wing militants, but the fact is April is an important month to right wing militants. To ignore that when thinking about this bomb blast would have been willful ignorance.

Put succinctly, I hope you are not suggesting that the BPD should not have even considered the possibility of a militant right winger behind this. Because that would be the LE equivalent of malpractice.

in conclusion, lrc is not th eright platform for these discussions and I should not have started it. And I hope this will be the last thing I have to say about my actions.

[quote]Liberal fire bombs wrote:

"The Tea Party has never been linked to violence. "

um, google 'tea party violence' and get back to me

^Sour grapes^

If these guys were two non-Islamic brothers born in America, I don't think people would be calling it terrorism. Maybe it will come out that they were part of some terrorist cell but right now there's no really any evidence that this is different from Columbine. There's absolutely no reason to start accusing Muslim community as aiding these guys. It should be pretty clear by know that people do these things regardless of religion. We shouldn't blame anyone but the brothers themselves (at least until we have more facts).

fiftypence wrote:

If these guys were two non-Islamic brothers born in America, I don't think people would be calling it terrorism. Maybe it will come out that they were part of some terrorist cell but right now there's no really any evidence that this is different from Columbine. There's absolutely no reason to start accusing Muslim community as aiding these guys. It should be pretty clear by know that people do these things regardless of religion. We shouldn't blame anyone but the brothers themselves (at least until we have more facts).

Any act like this is terrorism. It really is just that simple.

fiftypence wrote:

If these guys were two non-Islamic brothers born in America, I don't think people would be calling it terrorism. Maybe it will come out that they were part of some terrorist cell but right now there's no really any evidence that this is different from Columbine. There's absolutely no reason to start accusing Muslim community as aiding these guys. It should be pretty clear by know that people do these things regardless of religion. We shouldn't blame anyone but the brothers themselves (at least until we have more facts).

I think it is a combination - the older brother seems a traditional jihadi, but the younger guy seems more of a disaffected columbine sort of guy

soft baseballs wrote:

"The Tea Party has never been linked to violence. "

um, google 'tea party violence' and get back to me

Why don't you. The only thing that comes up is a Tea Party rally that was attacked by union thugs.

Yet you regularly see violence by Unions, campus protests, liberal protests, anarchist protests, Occupy Wall street protests. The list goes on and on.

agip wrote:

Sagarin -

My making educated guesses about the perps and their motives does not equal hoping it was a tea partier commemorating patriot's day.

As a LE guy said, to paraphrase, the clues led in both directions - homegrown and islamist. It was never an easy call.

That said, I should have shut up because subtelty and nuance is not communicable on the lrc boards.

agip, I'm not implicating you among those who "hoped" it was a ring-wing activist commemorating anything. But there were many whose comments went that direction, and, at a minimum, they condemned those who suggested the possibility that this wasn't the work of a ring-wing Patriot. Many of the threads have been killed, but the topic was alive and well. This is just a sad situation. Precious Roy, a liberal, was probably closest in his call to who these guys really were, though I think he underestimated their carelessness. People of the left and the right should be condemning these acts, not each other, donating money (or time) to various causes surrounding the aftermath), and quit making excuses like, they didn't have opportunity to prosper. I know quite a few 20-somethings living at home with their parents, educated, underemployed, and looking to get more education. They don't go around bombing and killing people out of despair. These were just sick individuals with a fundamentally screwed up philosophy.

yty wrote:

lived in Cambridge with girlfriend, though not students

According to ABC news this morning, the younger brother came to the states when he was 9 yrs old, went to school here and is currently a second year med student. Liked by everyone. Older brother who is dead came here about 5yrs or has been living here 5yrs. He has a 3yr old son with wife or girlfriend. Older brother was also a great boxer.

fiftypence wrote:

Maybe it will come out that they were part of some terrorist cell but right now there's no really any evidence that this is different from Columbine.

I doubt a 19 and 26 year old guy would be able to build bombs without a support network. Now if that network has anything to do with religion needs to be determined but I doubt they were without enablers of some sort.

why is race/religion the only thing that all of you are concerned with here? Chechnya rebels fought to separate from Russia for years and provided the conditions for this event, in radicalization and know-how, but as to why that would be applied to the United States, I have no idea, but the Muslim identity might explain that connection. Who knows?

That dude wrote:

fiftypence wrote:

Maybe it will come out that they were part of some terrorist cell but right now there's no really any evidence that this is different from Columbine.

I doubt a 19 and 26 year old guy would be able to build bombs without a support network. Now if that network has anything to do with religion needs to be determined but I doubt they were without enablers of some sort.

well we don't know, but the older guy took engineering classes in college, no? if illiterate arabs and afghans can make very nice bombs, so can a college educated engineering student in boston.

Unless the younger one makes some kind of arrangement to turn himself in it's unlikely that we are going to get the real story of why. It's almost certainly shoot on sight after the shooting of the policeman and the bomb chucking. There is still a disconnect on motive that would be better to understand and the question of whether this was self initiated or part of a group.

They have him.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Watertown