David, you should know that doesn't happen here!
David, you should know that doesn't happen here!
David Katz wrote:
Dear "Sure buddy, sure",
I think you owe me an apology.
The video shown was that of the prelimary round.
After the fall is when the Technical Delegates decided to use the double barrier for the finals-
Video of th finals in Osaka:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWfKWNnUnZU
Fair play.
David Katz wrote:
still waiting for an apology!
yes, nobody but you has anything better to do than to stare at Letsrun all day waiting for an apology....
Actually I just returned from measuring and Certifying a nice little village race - The Albany Avenue Elementary School 5K in North Massapequa New York - this Sunday. Flat course, not many turns.
David Katz wrote:
Actually I just returned from measuring and Certifying a nice little village race - The Albany Avenue Elementary School 5K in North Massapequa New York - this Sunday. Flat course, not many turns.
One of those a day should net you about $365,000 a year, right David?
No - wish!
I only measure courses for a few groups/organizations:
1.races administered by my company Finish Line Road Race Technicians. Usually no extra charge unless it's a marathon.
2. races for the New York Road Runners
3. IAAF/USATF/Olympic Trials events - no fee, just expenses.
I don't measure any other events.
Well, yes, some of us care. We care that there are highly competent people who think about these things a lot and pay a lot of attention so that they get done correctly and that we can rely on them being done correctly.
Of course, since we care a lot we tend to pay attention to critics to see if they have something of interest. Unfortunately, the structure of this board leads to trolls having a bit of a free rein.
Hopefully, most of those reading this thread can devine which posters are adding to the overall quality of the sport and which ones maybe do not even understand that it is important to build than to knock down the blocks someone has been using to build something (they think that the behavior shown by ten-year old boys is appropriate later in life).
Just seeing this and yes, that is correct as many have already pointed out. I have directed quite a few meets at the track in downtown Indianapolis that also has the same outside water jump set up. It does seem odd if you haven't run on a track with that setup all season...we actually make sure our clerk provides that extra instruction of awareness to the runners at the start line that the barrier is going to come up pretty quickly...
This track also has 2 sets of steeple barriers (one non-adjustable for men only and another set that is adjustable) - so for the first barrier we not only have the longer barrier that someone else pointed out earlier, but for safety reasons we go ahead and put a second barrier alongside to ensure that with large fields we don't force anyone lined up on the outside of the starting line to cut in earlier than they need to.
In the late 1990s/early 2000s we were getting ready to start the 3000m steeple for a late season meet where many teams had come to qualify when I had a coach start yelling and going ballistic on me that the first barrier needed to be removed and it would screw up the race for qualifying purposes if we ran it that way etc...he was in the first few rows of the stands by the start with a bunch of other coaches and really made a scene for a few minutes while we were getting the runners lined up.
I attempted to reassure him it was correct and explained the rule in the rule book to him...it just didn't phase him. That is until some guy named Jim Spivey who was coaching at University of Chicago at the time spoke up from two rows back...that pretty much ended the debate. :)
Craziest steeple setup I ever saw was at Drake before they redid the track. It was outside on the north end of the track, but since the scoreboard was right up against the outer lane, the water jump was actually over in the NW corner so you almost did a 90 degree turn...
Indy Guy wrote:
Craziest steeple setup I ever saw was at Drake before they redid the track. It was outside on the north end of the track, but since the scoreboard was right up against the outer lane, the water jump was actually over in the NW corner so you almost did a 90 degree turn...
Franklin Field. Six narrow lanes and an outside waterjump that is situated at the beginning of the straight.
They used to run it "correctly"* (B/B/B/WJ/B), with one more hurdle after the waterjump, by moving the finishline midway on the curve. In the 1976 NCAAs they changed the course to a unique layout of four barriers, then waterjump, per lap, making the finishline at the "normal" end of straight, and the last barrier of the race being the waterjump -- B/B/B/B/WJ.
* "correctly" - I'm not sure that the rule book even specifies the order of the barriers, or that it is only convention that makes the WJ the 4th barrier of each lap?
malmo wrote:
* "correctly" - I'm not sure that the rule book even specifies the order of the barriers, or that it is only convention that makes the WJ the 4th barrier of each lap?
The current NCAA rules (Rule 1 Section 3 Article 2) do stipulate the water jump is the 4th each lap and that the finish line can be moved to accommodate this...but who knows what the rules would have said back then.
Thanks to the above posters. If I recall correctly, the UT-Austin track has an outside water jump -- relevant to the extent that they have been using it for NCAA DI Regionals.
David Katz wrote:
No - wish!
I only measure courses for a few groups/organizations:
1.races administered by my company Finish Line Road Race Technicians. Usually no extra charge unless it's a marathon.
2. races for the New York Road Runners
3. IAAF/USATF/Olympic Trials events - no fee, just expenses.
I don't measure any other events.
You know I was kidding right? This was a response to the course certification thread where some race director said he wasn't going to get his 5km certified because it cost over $1000!
David Katz wrote:
No - wish!
I only measure courses for a few groups/organizations:
1.races administered by my company Finish Line Road Race Technicians. Usually no extra charge unless it's a marathon.
2. races for the New York Road Runners
3. IAAF/USATF/Olympic Trials events - no fee, just expenses.
I don't measure any other events.
You know I was kidding right? This was a response to the course certification thread where some race director said he wasn't going to get his 5km certified because it cost over $1000!
Of course I know you are kidding. I wish I made that much. Just wanted to point out my limited range of biz.