Wow: Oscar P's sobbing was so good the judge stopped the proceedings: "My compassion as a human being does not allow me to

jono wrote:

The story is just a way to get sympathy. His family and friends standing by him etc.

There is no one to get sympathy from. There are no jury trials in SA. One judge, and two assistants.

The judges down there don't mess around.

I wonder if he actually killed her with the cricket bat in the earlier dispute and shot her several times a couple of hours later, after he'd figured out his intruder story.

no lawyer wrote:

I'm pretty sure you are not going to get charged with premeditated murder because of your mistake. Premeditated means you intentionally meant to kill the person. He could get charged with a lesser crime, maybe manslaughter or something if police believed his story.

Your point 3 is my biggest hangup. What type of person shoots blindly through a door without knowing what is on the other side? I know it has happened before but it really is inexcusable. That kind of crap makes all gun owners look bad.

The groundwork is there in his past in that NYT article, about the false alarm, didn't he go downstairs with a gun ready to shoot?

This might have been a guy unhealthily on edge about home security.

Not saying he is innocent...the only way he is innocent is if all the crazy things that had to happen for him to be innocent, did actually happen.

He has wrote:

Read his full statement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57570059/oscar-pistorius-account-of-fatal-shooting-in-his-own-words/

His story covers several of the questions this thread has raised.

The sounds a lot more plausible.

Let's say it is true. For non SA's, it is going to be harder to relate to any of the open window, ladders, fear of home assault stuff.

Anyone who has friends from there, or who has visited SA, knows that it is a very dangerous place.

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

...really? wrote:

What is Reeva locked the bathroom door after hearing Oscar yelling? Maybe she was staying quiet as she didn't want to reveal her position to a potential intruder? When you hear someone yelling like that, you don't automatically think everything is ok, she most likely didn't think Oscar was referring to whoever was in the bathroom. I don't know really, we still need to hear more.

The things people said about how OJ might have been innocent were equally hilarious.

The problem with that was that OJ was BOTH framed, AND guilty.

dsrunner wrote:

I wonder if he actually killed her with the cricket bat in the earlier dispute and shot her several times a couple of hours later, after he'd figured out his intruder story.

Not to quibble, but forensics will easily determine whether the woman was dead when OP shot her. If he beat her to death hours or even minutes beforehand, there would be minimal bleeding around the bullet wound(s), depending on what was hit, compared to a shot that strikes the functioning circulatory system of a live victim.

This is not to say that OP knows this or wouldn't make up such a fable anyway.

Here is the full affidavit.http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/02/oscar-pistoriuss-full-affidavit/It was released by his PR firm so I'll post all of point 16- the merits of his case - here.

Who cares. Did they or did they not find steroids?

If home invastions are rampant in SA to the point people arm themselves at the ready to defend themselves, and mistaking a loved one for an intruder in the middle of the night is somewhat common, then you would think it would be a habit among the citizens to awake your spouse, et al if you need to get up in the middle of the night to use the restroom, etc. ESPECIALLY if your mate has already expressed a fear of being a victim of a crime and has a somewhat itchy trigger finger. Just saying....

rojo wrote:

You 'knew?'

I think you are rushing to free him just as much as they anyone might be rushing to convict.

How can anyone except for maybe Oscar or the people he called right after know for sure right now?

It's just like the Casey Anthony case where every stupid motherfuker wants to make himself look smart by claiming to "know" exactly what happened. Bullsh*t. None of you have the slightest clue. You didn't witness the incident, nor do you have anything to go by other than reports written by other people whose reliability you cannot account for. Just shut up and quit pretending that you stupid liberal azzholes have any idea what happened.

How many of your girlfriends or wives lock the bathroom door when they go during the middle of the night?

It's official, StubHub has dropped Oscar P. from their marketing campaign.

regardless of how dangerous SA is, that doesn't change the facts of the case. I read his account of that night, I believe it, I believe it was entirely an accident that he killed his girlfriend. However, in reading it, he sounds like a total paranoid psychotic with a gun fetish, exactly the type of person unfit to live in society. And he just proved it by murdering his girlfriend.

Any reasonable person would have assumed that it was the other person sleeping in the room (the girlfriend) who got up and went to the bathroom. They would have gotten back in bed and of course the girlfriend isn't in the bed, because she is in the bathroom. Done, no gun shots, no murder.

However, given that SA is dangerous lets say that along with the idea that it could be his girlfriend in the bathroom, it is reasonable for Pistorius to think maybe it's an intruder. So as he's retrieving his gun from under the bed he takes one second to put his hand on top of the bed to see if his girlfriend is in the bed. If he had done that he'd known it was her in the bathroom and put away the gun. Again, no gun shots, no murder. And because clearly his intention was to blindly shoot into the bathroom, not even taking one second to check to see if his girlfriend is in the bed is unacceptable and shows he is at the very least not fit to own guns, given the fact that he then went and killed someone under these circumstances shows he's not fit for society.

Even saying, okay he didn't check to see that she was in the bed, fine, now he goes towards the bathroom with the gun and instead of screaming about intruders and calling the cops, someone fit to live in society would have asked if it is his girlfriend who is in the bathroom before unloading 4 bullets into the door. Since we know that she was in the bathroom, since he started yelling about an intruder she was probably trying to stay quiet in the bathroom. But instead of figuring out her whereabouts, especially the fact that he made no attempt to ascertain if she was in the bathroom at all, he just unloads a gun into the door. Shoot first blindly at paranoid fears, ask questions later to figure out you are the murderer of your own girlfriend.

The fact is he clearly went to the bathroom with the intent on murdering someone. Because he murdered his girlfriend instead of an intruder doesn't change the fact that he shot with the purpose of murder. And as explained above, if he had been fit to live in society (not a paranoid psycho with a gun fetish) then no way in hell that woman ever dies.

"How many of your girlfriends or wives lock the bathroom door when they go during the middle of the night?"

Yah it seems unlikely she'd lock the door unless that was her habit. It's also possible she locked the door in response to OP yelling that there may be an intruder.

no taste in music wrote:

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

The things people said about how OJ might have been innocent were equally hilarious.

The problem with that was that OJ was BOTH framed, AND guilty.

Meant to say *if instead of is. Anyways, I know you're probably trolling, but others are so quick to either go to his defense and automatically assumes he's innocent or vice versa. You weren't there. Neither was I. It's a news story, so obviously not everything is always going to be 100%, but how do they prosecutors know for sure he was on prosthetics when he shot the 4 bullets through the door? Please don't assume that everything I'm saying I believe to be 100% accurate, I'm not ignorant. The only way to find out what really happened is to remain open to every scenario and see which one best fits the evidence presented....

"Shoot first blindly at paranoid fears, ask questions later to figure out you are the murderer of your own girlfriend."

It looks to me like OP's statement essentially agrees with everything you just said. He admits to killing her. He admits he was extremely fearful of intruders and admits doing all you describe. Except he can't fathom that his mistakes equate to premeditated murder.

I don't understand point 16.12 where he says the bedroom door was locked. Or am I being simple?

Is it realistic that the bedroom was too dark to see the bed clearly? Given he was closing the curtains, there must have been some light from the street surely?

I am guessing that the following points have been fabricated by the media:

1. Argument earlier in the evening,

2. Bullet fired in the bedroom,

3. Skull caved-in ( perhaps a fracture caused by hitting her head having been shot?)

Tragic, but fascinating.

was his gf in the bathroom ALSO with the light our?!

anyway, forensic ballistics, a common practice now by police in crime investigation involving shooting, should be able to decide if he lied. It should all line up well from where he held the gun (didn't wear his prosthetic), to the gun holes on the bathroom door thru the girl's head wounds.

I must be the only one that feels heartbroken for him. None of us know what happen, but he is clearly distraught over what has transpired. He may have truely believed she was an intruder. If he did have some sort of roid rage, it is unfortunate he acted in such violence and now he is paying the consequences for an obviously lapse in judgement.

Either way, all the way around sad situation for EVERYONE including Oscar P.