does anyone think Wang Junxia was clean?

She used drugs to get her Golds and ran shortened distances for her world records on top using of the drugs.

One thing that people fail to realize is that the 1993 Chinese national team ran 175 miles a week regularly. The coach would drive behind them and beat up anyone who fell off the pace. I'm not kidding, this is a fact.

On this training you would expect perhaps some dominance for a short period of time followed by a major crash. Now I am not saying they were clean. They probably weren't. They were probably using some PEDs that allowed them to do all this training.

MatthewXCountry wrote:

One thing that people fail to realize is that the 1993 Chinese national team ran 175 miles a week regularly.

"What am I on? I am on bike bike, busting my azz, 6 hours a say". You get the idea. You claim some BS nonsense so people actually believe it came from hard training and not from PEDs. Joerg Peter, (East) Germany's Marathon WR holder claims that he ran up to 282 km (= 175 miles) during his preparation AT ALTITUDE in Ethiopia (http://www.runnersworld.de/training/joerg-peter.61799.htm). Take all these numbers with a grain of salt.

They were probably using some PEDs that allowed them to do all this training.

Please explain to me which drug would allow them to train 175mpw without getting injured and why no one else outside of China has used these drugs.

GermanRunner2000 wrote:

Joerg Peter, (East) Germany's Marathon WR holder

Sorry, "Germany's Marathon record holder", not "WR holder".

MatthewXCountry wrote:

One thing that people fail to realize is that the 1993 Chinese national team ran 175 miles a week regularly. The coach would drive behind them and beat up anyone who fell off the pace. I'm not kidding, this is a fact.

Actually, most people interested enough in this topic are probably well aware of the stories, true or fabricated, regarding these athletes' training volume and the literal abuse they suffered at the hands of their coach. They're not the first runners to train extremely hard, and there's no reason to think that being regularly beaten can propel anyone to unlikely performances.

MatthewXCountry wrote:

Now I am not saying they were clean. They probably weren't.

Well goddamn, son, don't go too much farther out on that limb or it might break underneath you.

"It's ludicrous to he point of wanting to bray huge amounts of obnoxious laughter, like a donkey being tickled in the balls"

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5005232&page=1#ixzz2Id3okCXf

Almost made me spit my coffee on the computer. One of the funniest things I've seen on here in awhile.

Serious question: What World Records have been later revoked? I can't think of any other than Ben Johnson.

ahhh yea sure why not wrote:

If Flo Jo and Carmelita Jeter are clean then so is Wang Junxia....yep clean as a whilstle

And Renata Stecher. And Marita Koch

Nutella1 wrote:

Maybe they should throw out Mike Powells 8.95m. After all, no man has jumped anywhere near that mark in two decades.

If that jump had been half a meter over his best other jump and if half a dozen people had set records at that meet that they had never come close to since...

yeah, I'd think something was up. Maybe the tape measure was short, maybe the wind gauge was faulty. Something.

I like the theory that the 10000m race was actually a lap short. Wang Junxia's last 5000m in that race was faster than the WR at the time (and faster than her PR). Add an extra lap and her time falls nicely in line with other times that she ran and it all makes perfect sense.

Of course, that doesn't explain the 1500m and 3000m times.

Whether you are Wang Junxia, or Geb, or Barry Bonds you have to realize that peds gives the athlete a tremendous unfair advantage....some here still believe Geb, hi-sham el g, which means track and field is still corrupt and will carry that stench until the frauds are exposed....

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

I like the theory that the 10000m race was actually a lap short. Wang Junxia's last 5000m in that race was faster than the WR at the time (and faster than her PR). Add an extra lap and her time falls nicely in line with other times that she ran and it all makes perfect sense.

Of course, that doesn't explain the 1500m and 3000m times.

There are two pissibilities:

1. The 10,000m race was one lap short - and your argument about the 2nd half (5k) supports this. But then, how do you explain the 3000 and the 1500? It would mean that this was not an accident but planned. The 10k was 24 laps, the 3000 was 7 laps and the 1500 was 3 1/2 laps. Possible.

2. The track was short. 380m or something. This is much easier to cheat since the human eye won't be able to spot the difference.

J.R. wrote:

Wang Junxia

World Champion 10,000m Stuttgart 1993

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IytBXo6HE

2nd fastest all time, shortly before breaking the WR

4:29 closing mile in the, then, 2nd fastest 10,000 ever. Last mile within 14 seconds of world record. Just absurd.

Raptured wrote:

4:29 closing mile in the, then, 2nd fastest 10,000 ever. Last mile within 14 seconds of world record. Just absurd.

It was NOT the 2nd fastest 10,000 ever. Not by a long shot.

Regarding the last mile, this is not unheard of in a championship race with a slow start.

because all those records are tainted. Toss em out... start all over.

I dont care about proof, it's a tainted era.

t94bell wrote:

She's about as clean as an unprotected wang.

Wow!

Nutella1 wrote:

Regarding the last mile, this is not unheard of in a championship race with a slow start.

This was not a race with a slow start, so I am not sure why you bring this up. But since you have, do you really know of any women's 10,000s that closed in sub-4:30 for the last four laps? I can see Defar or Dibaba being capable o this, but I don't know that it's actually happened.

Uncivil Engineer wrote:

Nutella1 wrote:

Regarding the last mile, this is not unheard of in a championship race with a slow start.

This was not a race with a slow start, so I am not sure why you bring this up. But since you have, do you really know of any women's 10,000s that closed in sub-4:30 for the last four laps? I can see Defar or Dibaba being capable o this, but I don't know that it's actually happened.

That seems on par with Bekele's 4:55ish final 2000m in the Olympic 5000m, doesn't it?

the short track argument is nonsensehere is a post from canovahttp://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4203011&page=2

Wang Jungxia ran 3'51"9 in 1500m and 2:24 in Marathon, and 8'06" in 3000, and 29'30" with the second half in 14'26", and NEVER could run 400m faster than 55"5 (this was what Dong Li, the WCh in 1500 in 1997, now wife of the head coach of Spain Miguel Landa, explained me when we spoke about the Chinese period of Ma Juren)

the prelim lines of fit i got for her years before this post were

55.5 / 1'57.2 ->

3'50.3

5'13.5

8'03.9

13'55.0

29'07.4

or

55.5 / 1'57.3 ->

3'50.7

5'14.1

8'05.0

13'57.3

29'13.2

which are perectly in keeping with her runs if you consider the uneven pace those races were run

( the 29'31 was a joke with a jog of 15'05 followed by a 14'26 which was 11s faster than the current 5k wr & she was speeding up thruout that last 5k with a 8'17 last 3k !!! )

if it had been a short track, i wouda expected some huge discrepancy in 1 or more of those estimates compared to what she actually ran ( if you flatten out the uneven pace )

there is none

But you've included the 'short track' runs in your calculations as most of her fast times were run in China

I don't think it was short just doping

ventolin^3 wrote:

the short track argument is nonsense

"I’m sorry that I can’t dream big. I'm sorry I don't believe in miracles."

This was not a miracle. Was Canova in Beijing when this happened? No? Why not? Because no one from the west was. The only video proof there is is the last half lap of her run, no proof exists of the 3000m.

The Chinese altered their history to make the majority of Chinese believe the tiananmen incident never happened. Surly they can fabricate some nonsense T&F meet.

Wang didn't have the talent to run 29:31 and she never did.