Kenyans DO dope

Come on man, do you expect Kenyans to be dominating baseball football and basketball? Maybe gymnastics or snowboarding?

The pipeline was barely open in the 60s. Do you really think Shorter is beating clean versions of Wanjiru or Geb?

The last time Geb was clean was 1991.

Wanjiru was a Rosa boy.

Hard to know how fast they'd have been clean.

Medal count

London Olympics: let us contrast a country like

Australia (22 million people) with Kenya (39 million)

Australia 7 gold

16 silver

12 bronze TOTAL: 45 medals

Kenya 2 gold

4 silver

5 bronze TOTAL: 11 medals

You are a victim of the media hype in how "good" the Kenyan athletes are. In reality, they suck.

See what I mean - all you are is scared. Scared of something silly like having to be the best.who cares about how it's done!?! Just enjoy running, for heaven sake!! When exactly are you going to start living a life where you let yourself do what you feel? You mnow why you went crazy? Because you have years of surpressed feelings you never acted on. I'm not sugar coating anything now. You are so scared of actually acting on those feelings because u think you will lose control. Ha, like you're getting so much enjoyment out of trying to control your world! Only when you let yourself do things like travel and feel music, do you come close to tapping into that part of you. You are going to die of a heart attack if you don't let go

jos hermens 1992 wrote:Wanjiru was a Rosa boy

eh ???

so are rothlin, tariku, aldama, asbel, jeilan, etc

they all dopers ???

first of all Dr. Rosa was caught by do doping in Italy to some of their italian athletes namely a few cycling athletes.

Second Paul Tergat a well as the Swiss Rothlin did take EPO in small dosage, to benefit from hard training that able them to better performance. Of course that without biological passport ans with surpise tests out of competition when they got to the competitions they could EPO positive drug test.

Paul Tergat start with an EPO program in 97 got a Russian doctor that provides him the EPO take. This russian doctor is unknown in the athletic circuit and he is not identified.

This is not science fiction. This is the reality.

thanks for drivel

you have no connection with either kenyan or swiss camps so thanks but no thanks for crap

as for needing to find some unknown russian doctor to prescribe epo is laughable

epo has been widely prescribed for medical patients for 25y

it can be obtained anywhere in western world with a prescription providing you are willing to pay full retail cost of a few $1000s for a full course

the only strong reason a doc woudn't prescribe it is that it woudn't be on a subsidised state prescription costing a few $10 in order to watch his budget

if you are willing to pay retail you can have got it anywhere in western world

certainly no drivel about russian docs needed

ventolin^3 wrote:

thanks for drivel

you have no connection with either kenyan or swiss camps so thanks but no thanks for crap

as for needing to find some unknown russian doctor to prescribe epo is laughable

epo has been widely prescribed for medical patients for 25y

it can be obtained anywhere in western world with a prescription providing you are willing to pay full retail cost of a few $1000s for a full course

the only strong reason a doc woudn't prescribe it is that it woudn't be on a subsidised state prescription costing a few $10 in order to watch his budget

if you are willing to pay retail you can have got it anywhere in western world

certainly no drivel about russian docs needed

The Norwegian coach Frank Evertsen who have trained a few kenyans + 10 000 and 5000 European Junior Champs who live and train in Iten for several months each year once tested how hard it was to get EPO in Kenya.

Easy he said, easily accessed.

geb and bekele have been doped their entire careers

and so have many others

#$# wrote:

Medal count

London Olympics: let us contrast a country like

Australia (22 million people) with Kenya (39 million)

Australia 7 gold

16 silver

12 bronze TOTAL: 45 medals

Kenya 2 gold

4 silver

5 bronze TOTAL: 11 medals

You are a victim of the media hype in how "good" the Kenyan athletes are. In reality, they suck.

Idiot, stupid comparison. Australia's one of the richest countries in the world with facilities and support to match.

Australian medals won in:

Athletics (W 100 Hurdles, M Long Jump, M 50k Walk)

Canoe/Kayak

Cycling Track & BMX

Sailing

Swimming

Diving

Rowing

Basketball

Hockey

Triathlon

Water Polo

Don't see Kenya with too many facilities or funding for these.

Scandinavian Fellow wrote:

The Norwegian coach Frank Evertsen who have trained a few kenyans + 10 000 and 5000 European Junior Champs who live and train in Iten for several months each year once tested how hard it was to get EPO in Kenya.

Easy he said, easily accessed.

Is it used for medical conditions? Then, duh! it will be accessible in Kenya. But I'm curious about a NORWEGIAN coach leaving his country to coach Kenyan athletes all the way in Kenya ... Why? Scarcity of aspiring Norwegian runners? We have no historical ties with Norway at all, so while I wouldn't blink at British nationals moving here to settle (which is quite common) I can't fathom why a Norwegian would unless there was an ulterior motive. Why Kenya and not Denmark or Bolivia? Lord knows we're tired of these Europeans bringing their warped eff the rules, win-at-all-cost mentality here.

El Keniano wrote:

I'm curious about a NORWEGIAN coach leaving his country to coach Kenyan athletes all the way in Kenya ... Why? Scarcity of aspiring Norwegian runners? We have no historical ties with Norway at all, so while I wouldn't blink at British nationals moving here to settle (which is quite common) I can't fathom why a Norwegian would unless there was an ulterior motive. Why Kenya and not Denmark or Bolivia?

Let's see, he is a coach and wants to make a living coaching. He goes to Kenya where there is a large body of potential clients, as opposed to Denmark or Bolivia where there is not. Pretty easy to understand, don't you think?

money

El Keniano wrote:

Is it used for medical conditions? Then, duh! it will be accessible in Kenya. But I'm curious about a NORWEGIAN coach leaving his country to coach Kenyan athletes all the way in Kenya ... Why? Scarcity of aspiring Norwegian runners? We have no historical ties with Norway at all, so while I wouldn't blink at British nationals moving here to settle (which is quite common) I can't fathom why a Norwegian would unless there was an ulterior motive. Why Kenya and not Denmark or Bolivia? Lord knows we're tired of these Europeans bringing their warped eff the rules, win-at-all-cost mentality here.

He said it was scary easy to get, he had no doctors note. He simply bought it.

1. He coached a few kenyan athletes. Ehh why is Canova in Kenya and not in Italy?

2. He is there months at the time with his two Norwegian athletes.

He doesn't bring any warped "eff the rules, win-at-all-cost mentality".

Hes also the former coach of Marius Bakken (13.06).

The two of them studied the kenyan way of training to learn. Nothing strange about that.

El Keniano wrote:

I find it laughable how you yanks try to make like, a country many here constantly refer to as "backward", has managed to develop a sophisticated, undetectable drug and have an allegedly complex doping programme a la East Germany. It's not like Kenya started winning races in the 90s, we've been killing it since the 60's. So to say Kenya dominates because of doping is just stupid.

I think you miss the point. No one is saying that Kenya (or some Kenyan's) has more sophisticated drugs at their disposal than the US or Europe, of course not.

The difference is that most other countries have had strict out of competition and out of season random drug taking in place for 20 years, or more in some cases. Recent developments from last year proved that this has not been the case in Kenya (and no doubt in some other African countries too) due to lack of finances and the logistical problems of getting samples from isolated mountain areas where the athletes train, to the European labs in the necessary time for accurate results.

The Kenyan athletic body has not been rigorous enough in testing their own athletes, turning a blind eye to what is going on with some athletes.

There has to be a level playing field across all national federations when it comes to testing.

kenyarun wrote:

AK should know (and I know they do) that Kenyan Athletes are very careful (this is usually their agents) about which races they participate in. Kenyan athletes are intelligent and know exactly which races dope the top three athletes, top ten and those that test randomly. They know which races in Asia for example do not dope.

Kenyan track runners do not go about tripping in races. They do not burn out 3 metres from the finish line. They do not finish last in 1500M. Unless on purpose. Especially when word has been getting around that there would be serious testing of athletes that may uncover previously 'undiscoverable' drugs.

I thought these 2 paragraphs were quite revealing.

I have always found it strange that so many Kenyans run such fast times in Doha in early May, and then never go on to improve on those times throughout the rest of the season.

Renato Canova seems to have a respect and understanding of the local culture and doesn't seem to have that foreign "our way is better" superiority. It's a case of both coach and athlete listening and learning from each other then working together for optimal results. Not just here for the cash, I'm sure he's welcome and appreciated. He, unfortunately, may be a minority. Also Italians have been coming to Kenya for ages, as missionaries then tourists. not unusual. I'd have to learn Italian if I wanted a service job in the coastal town of Malindi, which they've colonised to the point of having many business signs in Italian. But a Norwegians? Pretty unusual.

jos hermens 1992 wrote:

Wanjiru was a Rosa boy.

Wanjiru only joined Dr. Rosa in 2008 but was already a phenom, breaking world jr record in 10,000m (26:41) and world half marathon record (59:16) while coached and managed by the Japanese. It is therefore very ignorant to give credit to Dr. Rosa for Wanjiru's rise to the top.

El Keniano wrote:

But a Norwegians? Pretty unusual.

It was one Norwegian coach, and a few Norwegian athletes. Nothing unusal about that. Athletes come from all over the world to have training camps in Kenya, especially in Iten.