I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think you Ventolin are underestimating what Kiprop is capable right now in the best of conditions. I think he can run sub 3:27 and make a respectable run at the WR if he got excellent pacing and was truly committed to going for the fastest time possible. He didn't look that put out by this effort and looks extremely comfortable running 55 second laps.
ventolin^3 wrote:
wow
he couda gone mid-3'27 off hard pace !!!
Wasn't he a rabbit?
If your definition of the rabbit is to be no closer than 4th place in the first 200 meters of the race, followed by gently being crapped out the back of the pack, then, yes, he was a rabbit.
Paula Cliffebar wrote:True. But it was actually quite clear he was capable of the time he did today, back in 2008 when, only 19, he ran 1:44 and 3:31
err...
i didn't even know his times back then
ramzi with his astonishing semi of ?53 3rd lap was in 3'27 shape ( where's vid ? )
i said then asbel had to be in at worst 3'29 shape to run him close - 4y ago
similarly, willis wouda been in at worst 3'30 - 4y ago
This is a guy who had just won the world junior CROSS COUNTRY race the year before. A guy with that much endurance to win world jr cross, and that much speed to run 1:44 at age 19 (and then 1:43 the next year), was CLEARLY capable of being a 3:27 guy some day. It's nice to see him living up to that potential
not big move if expected 3'29, 4y ago
(and no, you don't need some bs calculator to come to these conclusions)
no calculator
same as asking who'd win between dr fager & secretariat at the mile at 126
it's gut
After what I saw today live on video, I do absolutely think
Kiprop is sub 3:28.00 capable
However, when you get help all the way, does anyone think in their wildest delusions Jim Ryun in a set up could not have run 3:31 45-46 years ago? At age 20-21?
So what is the Big f'ing deal, he runs 3;51.1 without the Ventolin optimal fractions almost 45 years ago?
Damn, guys should be running 4-5 secs faster in 45 years? No?
Yet people drool over a 3:28.88 ? Shit Jim Ryun on these tracks, with pacers would have drilled these guys. At least my opinion.
Hell, he ran 1:44.x as a JUNIOR 46 years ago
OK genius, whether he was "planning" that or not isn't the point. The point is that he ran without much apparent effort. You get into a meet of that caliber and your ass needs to be putting the hammer down the entire race and not just quitting when it doesn't go your way.
Supragraf wrote:
I was in Monaco tonight and it really was a jog to the bell. Asbel looked so incredibly relaxed I have no doubt that he could have went 3:27 low off a faster pace. The rabbit got a little too far ahead and wasn't much use for drafting. Robby Andrews looked absolutely atrocious.
Yea, not even sure why Andrews is racing at this point. He was so far out of contention, it was embarrassing. Needs to completely retool....something.
ventolin^3 wrote:
the only guy in the race he mighta any marginal fear of was nixon, who also has gone 3'29
however, that move 20 - 30m from bell tells me he fears no one now
they might even "team" the 1500, with each leading for a lap, with nixon taking it to the bell in hopefully ~ 2'34
they can race the last lap & sweep the medals
Ventolin,
I have been saying this too.
Kiplagat is one hell of a racer and if they can just make it to the finals, kiprop can take them out fast at the gun with kiplagat doing the second lap and Nixon the third or thereabout.
Kiprop shouldn't have to wait for the bell and can take it out justnthe way he did in Monaco.
That epway, they stretch out the field in a single file thus;
1. Reducing the chances of being tripped and falling
2. " " " " " " boxed in
3. Killing off everyone
4.increasing the chances of a clean sweep.
It can be done but Kiprop has to take charge.
The most painful thing is that Kiprop might trudge along in the tenth position with a lap to go and see him lose.
I never put it past him.
Would love a post-Olympics showdown/WR attempt at 1000 with Rudisha and Kiprop, Sherer to rabbit.
Trialswatcher wrote:
After what I saw today live on video, I do absolutely think
Kiprop is sub 3:28.00 capable
However, when you get help all the way, does anyone think in their wildest delusions Jim Ryun in a set up could not have run 3:31 45-46 years ago? At age 20-21?
So what is the Big f'ing deal, he runs 3;51.1 without the Ventolin optimal fractions almost 45 years ago?
Damn, guys should be running 4-5 secs faster in 45 years? No?
Yet people drool over a 3:28.88 ? Shit Jim Ryun on these tracks, with pacers would have drilled these guys. At least my opinion.
Hell, he ran 1:44.x as a JUNIOR 46 years ago
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, didn't. The American obsession with Ryun is just too funny.
Where was Silas?
Good question. I think it was in the Prefontaine meet where Silas looked bad finishing well back of the pack and a good 20 meters behind Kiprop. Haven't heard or seen from him since.
Clell Adams wrote:
Where was Silas?
ryan foreman wrote:
Good question. I think it was in the Prefontaine meet where Silas looked bad finishing well back of the pack and a good 20 meters behind Kiprop. Haven't heard or seen from him since.
Clell Adams wrote:Where was Silas?
This race must have been organised by Athletics Kenya to test her athletics ahead of London.
I think it is the last race for Kenyan athletes.
Kiplagat ran in Paris GL in the mile and won in 3:52.
That was his last race I guess as per AK's wish.
He wasn't going to do another hard race in a week.
These three guys are very okay in terms of preparations and form.
I cannot wait.
Ho Hum wrote:
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, didn't. The American obsession with Ryun is just too funny.
idiot
synthetic tracks didn't exist
paced time trials didn't exist
you are a moron
My bad. I had forgotten to watch day 2 of the London DL.
Silas though still looks kind of sluggish compared to how he looked the past year or two. But I guess nobody in London had that great of performance.
That would be incredible.
Shoebacca wrote:
Impressive. He should go for a WR if he wasn't already trying.
An impressive new stuff on the black market. EPO is out-of-date already. C'mon, guys. Face the reality: Middle distances have been stagnating since mid-80's. All the guys you have seen on track during the last 2 decades were 3:29-3:30 runners at best. Blood doping adds +4 sec. in the 1500 m, which would put all the stellar superhuman times into a more reasonable perspective.
Today's athletics is a mouse-and-cat game between athletes and WADA. Human performance limits in most events have already been reached during the 80's. When WADA develops a new test, the times immediately fell, when a new undetectable stuff hits the market, the times again miraculously improve. It has been so since 1995, when EPO became widely available.
ventolin^3 wrote:
wow
he couda gone mid-3'27 off hard pace !!!
"Off a Jog?"
Can with the hyperbole, it is dumb.
moron
you haven't a clue
if you'd actually followed the sport, you wouda known that the doped ramzi was already in 3'27 shape in '08 on basis of that astonishing semi
in the final, asbel ran him damn close, which indicated he had to be in ~ 3'29 back then just to stay close & willis possibly in 3'30 shape
asbel didn't do any proper clock-chasing for years, content to pile up wins until finally chasing a time in rieti last year & getting 3'30 in a wildly paced race & then 3'29/3'38 this year
asbel is only now just running faster than the time he was capable of 4y ago
there has been no "remarkable" improvement in his intrinsic ability in the past 4y
Yeah man, you don't have a clue what goes on in Ventolinland, where 'science' reigns and everyone runs times that are faster than they run in the real world where only morons and imbeciles live. You should join us here in Ventolinland sometime... It's f'n crazy!
ventolin^3 wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:That's not ridiculous. One should close faster on the last lap, and if you're average in teh 56's, 53.85 means you were going at a pretty good pace. This isn't a 4 flat miler closing in 53.85, he's a guy running only 3 second pace off of that. It does mean he probbly could have gone a tiny bit faster, but you should close a bit faster than your first 1100 pace if you went out right.not true
i'm pretty sure komen went ~ 56 in his 3'29.4
these guys need to be going low-2'32 at bell to stand chance of even pace last lap, but the pacers can't take them there that fast
Vent i usually like your comments, but it's insane to say "not true". Fact is you cannot say it's not true. The fact that Komon closed in 56 when he went 3'29.4 does not indicate it's "not true". If someone is running a perfect race they should be just a microscopic amount away from crossing your threshhold too early, and always be able to slightly negative split your last lap. It's possible Komen didn't run the perfect race when he ran his pr. Most people don't run the perfect race when they run their pr, that's why it's called a perfect race. It basically never really happens.
Off the pace he was running a mid 55 flat would probably be an ideal last lap. Like Mrr82 said he was a bit faster than that so he probably could have pushed a bit more.