Trey Hardee vs. Rich Froning

If you were to throw Trey Hardee into a Crossfit competition cold, I'm confident this Rich Froning guy would beat him. There is some skill involved - note the event where you walk on your hands.

Likewise Froning would do horribly if thrown into the decathlon cold.

However give them each a little time to train - could be 2 months, could be a year, whatever - and Hardee would be the Crossfit champion. You don't score 8790 in the Dec without being insanely athletic (the guy has run 10.39 and high jumps 6'8") and coordinated (pole vaulting 17+ feet, hurdling 13.61).

With that combination of athletic prowess and coordination Trey would be a monster crossfitter.

as for Hardee competing with RF in a workout, that's the point... CF workouts are pretty much irrelevant. They are simply 'stuff' put together.

I guarantee you that Mario (Treys coach) lays out the entire training year and plans his various phases... It is the epitome of Applied Physiology, whereas Crossfit is random 'stuff'.

Once a year, I do a circuit with my athletes called the 'Black Circuit'... it is essentially a Crossfit style set of various components. I like to do it late in the General Prep period, and mainly it is for fun and a break from the standard day to day training. The athletes know that it is hard and that they wont feel well after, but they like the challenge. The circuit record is about 6:40 and most are around the 7:00 mark... it has absolutely zero commonality/compatability with what we do in our events, other than the 1500 (and that's debatable), but it is not meant to... again, it's more about fun. I can tell you with absolute confidence, this type of work performed consistently will NOT make you an elite athlete of almost kind! And the physiological research will back this up!

you're absolutely right which is why many of our country's leading exercise gurus dismiss crossfit. It can and will also lead to injuries 9at this point in its infancy). And again I doubt most can even make it over the 110 hurdles

Crossfit is like the creatine of exercise. Alot of people do it and are in shape but it is not going to be certified by American College of Sports Medicine because there is no real scientific backing to its long term effects or what it is actually helping. The same way your not going to get Creatine FDA approved because no organization is going to condone destroying someones kidneys.

Rich Froning is an incredible athlete. Trey Hardee is an incredible athlete. Hardee would own Rich in the Decathalon and he would probably be incredible at Crossfit if he chose to ever do it. They are both FAR better athletes than the joggers posting on this thread.

Waaaahhhh!!! Crossfit gets so much attention and nobody cares about my Drumstick Dash 5th place age group medal!!! Why dont people realize that runners are so much better than other athletes??!!! Waaahhhh!!!

Jealous babies. Belittling the athletic endevors of others is just not good for our wide butt, fast food culture. Crossfit is helping change that culture!!! Support it, or ignore it, but dont tear it down because they have a lot more in common with a runner's habits, mentality, and goals than people on this board realize. I have been on both sides and love both communities for their support of a healthy lifestyle and friendly athletic competition.

I also think that both sports have serious problems at the corporate organizational level, but that is a well worn topic on running and crossfit message boards alike.

Distance running does diminish athletic performance in relation to power and speed. Distance runners dont make the ridiculous claim that they can be a gun at any sport though. A decathlete can, they have 10.xx 100m speed, huge vertical leaps, above average strength and excellent agility. Cornerstones of athleticism for any sport. Xfit basically will make you good at... Well xfit. Its no good for athletic performance and this is a sport science fact.

Xfit isnt a sport.

If anything the distance runners are claiming that Decathletes are better athletes than Gym Rats competing to see who can do 30 135lb snatches the fastest.

I don't know which is worse, you crossfit trolls or you crossfit cult $hitheads (who actually believe in the nonsense that cross fit is some sort of special awesome training method, when it is simply a mixing of a few different methods of training together, which people have been doing for, oh, I don't know, a million years or so. NOT ORIGINAL. NOT UNIQUE. NOT NEW. NOT SPECIAL. NOT AWESOME. No seriously, NOT AWESOME AT ALL. )

To the Trolls: you are not, I repeat NOT getting under runners' collective skins with your nonsense. If you get responses, it either from

a) other trolls

b) cross fit cult $hitheads

c) people like me, who are not getting sucked into a debate on your troll hypothetical match-ups of real athletes vs nobody's, but are simply astonished at your lack of life for coming up with such idiotic trolling. GET A LIFE.

To the cult $hitheads: If you love cross fit so much, go hang out on their cult sites, and get off these boards, you imbeciles.

Comprende???????? POR FAVOR??

Crossfit douches out!

xfit wrote: That being said runners need to come off their high horse and look at what Crossfit is doing. They could learn a thing or two that may help grow the sport.

What's that exactly? By becoming a group of idiotic cultists or trolls? Runners aren't on a high horse about anything. we are tired of the cult $hitheads and the trolls making up complete BS to either try and annoy us (trolling at its worst, not even creative, like: "I hear Rich Froning once ran a sub 4:00 1500."..nonsense like that. This whole thread in fact) or trying to sell us on some BS about how cross-$hit is the ultimate fitness challenge, and running is a terrible exercise (well, except if you run AT a cross fit gym. Then it's okay. In fact it's essential).

It's just getting really tiring. It's like the Obama/racist trolls constantly calling Obama a socialist or terrorist, or saying that black people are all criminals, blah, blah, blah. It just gets really friggin' annoying and tiring to listen to such moronic BS, and uncreative trolling. It just makes you sad for the intelligence of mankind at some point.

give it a rest guys.

Vetolin? is that you?

Paula Cliffebar wrote:

To the cult $hitheads: If you love cross fit so much, go hang out on their cult sites, and get off these boards, you imbeciles.

X-Fit is a sport! It's a thousand times harder than running/football/soccer/rugby. The fact is that X-fot should be in the Olympics, and then Zumba should be introduced as well.

I wasn't very good at any of the sports that existed, so I created something irrelevant to beat my chest over. Sounds abit like Ultra Marathon.

Where did you get 200 lbs from for his snatch and 365 for his back squat? You are obviously just as ignorant as those you are bashing. I agree, Rich Froning couldn't beat Hardee at a Decathlon, but in the same respect I would wager that Hardee wouldn't be winning the games if he were to enter it this past year. They are different in there own respect. So stop being a pretentious jackass and go learn some actual valid facts.

Guys,

Just think can one athlete do what the other has if they follow the other athletes training? Then the answer becomes very simple. Trey Hardee can accomplish what Rich Froning has done in 4-6months of cross-fit training at most.

While Rich Froning could train the rest of his life have the best coaches in the world and never do what Trey Hardee can do in the decathlon or any other explosive event if they both trained the same. Trey Hardee is one of the best at an event that has been practiced for over 100 years. Rich Froning is Champ at something that just started, and I promise you won't know his name in 4 years, while Trey Hardee is in the history books.

All-American

Olympian

There's no letscrossfit.com for these guys to go to? Why do they feel the need to post here?

Olympian wrote:

Guys,

Just think can one athlete do what the other has if they follow the other athletes training? Then the answer becomes very simple. Trey Hardee can accomplish what Rich Froning has done in 4-6months of cross-fit training at most.

While Rich Froning could train the rest of his life have the best coaches in the world and never do what Trey Hardee can do in the decathlon or any other explosive event if they both trained the same. Trey Hardee is one of the best at an event that has been practiced for over 100 years. Rich Froning is Champ at something that just started, and I promise you won't know his name in 4 years, while Trey Hardee is in the history books.

All-American

Olympian

I don't know why this thread got bumped back up, but...

Why are you downing Rich Froning so bad? How do you know that he's not a great athlete as well? The truth is that they are both good at what they do, and they would both suck at first doing what the other does. Both would get better with training.

I mean, seriously, what is the difference between crossfit and the decathlon??? Why is crossfit so unfit to compare to the decathlon? It's got multiple events too. Actually, at least crossfit tests endurance. The decathlon doesn't.

from that power clean

hardee is an athlete

rich froning is not. he does crossfit

[if u cant see this maybe u didnt play either (?)]

i'll believe "crossfitter turns NFL" when that #actuallyhappens lol

XCfit wrote:

Waaaahhhh!!! Crossfit gets so much attention and nobody cares about my Drumstick Dash 5th place age group medal!!!

Crossfit doesn't actually get much attention, but for the fact that its participants (sorry "athletes") troll the message boards of other sports. I mean, the Crossfit games are shown on a two month tape delay on ESPN 2 for crying out loud.

I would love to see video of R.Froning running a sub 4 1500m. #nochanceinhell

Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

It has been reported that Rich Froning ran a sub 4 1500 before. That was not in competition (after other grueling events) but during training. So I think at least the distance stuff he would win. Also everything involving power/strength, like the throwing disciplines.

Where the decathlete would probably win is high jump/pole vault and (maybe) 110 hurdles.