1000m Time Trial

bangalangadanga wrote:ventolin,

of course i can read

doesn't appear so

yes, i saw your line of fit for this guy on the previous page. i think it is the dumbest thing i have ever seen

then you are a f*cking idiot

he said he ran 1'55/2'28/3'53

i said that is almost perfect

if you can't comprehend this you must be a complete moron

i guess what i meant to say is that i have never seen you post lines of fitness for other posters before. this is the first time i've seen you post on a 'predict my time' thread.

plenty

go check the archives if you are so interested

[quote]bangalangadanga wrote:

ventolin,

of course i can read.

yes, i saw your line of fit for this guy on the previous page. i think it is the dumbest thing i have ever seen.

Really? The dumbest thing you have ever seen? Coming from a guy who bases his predictions off of complete guesswork... Ventolins table was nearly spot on for me. Explain how that is dumb please.

The poster either has run faster in TT's than he has in races, or is a troll, or just never races. Why would someone post two times, one in an 800 run solo and one in a 1k TT, and have no actual races times to mention? Has he only trained the entire past year and hasn't run a competitive race in either track season? TT's are usually slower than a race will be, but perhaps not if all this guy does is train. It's mid June and he wants to run a fast time but has no races to mention? I don't buy it...

???????? wrote:

double talk wrote:

that seems quite low actually, i know the person who is the op, he ran 3:51 over a month ago, his pr is 3:50, plus that 2:25 was a time trial, the 800 a race, i would think 3:45-8 would be feasible with the right race

Double Talk is correct on this information, i didn't have much speed work when I ran the 1500 earlier this year and my pr was was set last year when I only had a 1:53 pr in 800. If it helps I also ran a 9:03 steeple last year. I will post what I run in 1500 this weekend.

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from stuart douglas:

Ventolin, I'm one of your biggest fans, but you're pretty far off on this one. I ran 3:53 1500m with a 800m time of 1:55 and 1000m time trial of 2:28. This guy can definitely run 3:45 this year!!!

oh, sorry. thought we were talking about the OP.

ok, let me use my 'guesswork' aka 10 years (rate that for what its worth +/-) following track and field (implies its own intrinsic value imo) to predict (even though you've given your 1500.

800 = 1:55

1000 = 2:28

1500 race

I'd recommend 62 pace and try to kick with 150 to go.

62

2:04

3:06

:47-48

3:53-3:54 looks very reasonable.

how did the race play out for you? what were your splits like? I don't see you going much faster without improving your 800 pr though.

Mrr82 wrote:

The poster either has run faster in TT's than he has in races, or is a troll, or just never races. Why would someone post two times, one in an 800 run solo and one in a 1k TT, and have no actual races times to mention? Has he only trained the entire past year and hasn't run a competitive race in either track season? TT's are usually slower than a race will be, but perhaps not if all this guy does is train. It's mid June and he wants to run a fast time but has no races to mention? I don't buy it...

I was definitely curious as to why he's been training specifically for the 1500, but he had no other 1500 races to report.

bangalangadanga wrote:ok, let me use my 'guesswork' aka 10 years (rate that for what its worth +/-) following track and field (implies its own intrinsic value imo)

that is not much

i'm x4 that & others here have x5 to x6

diminishing returns?

clouded your mind is, ventolin.

old and arrogant.

Ventolin,

Well, at least I know now that you're willfully ignoring my point and I won't be so confused by your predictions in this thread.

Lucky for me, I didn't ask you to predict my 1500 after my 2:31tt. Christ, I probably would have gone out in 64.

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Question Mark Guy,

Don't you dare let me down. Hit 1k in 2:30 or just under, cruise 300m while holding position or moving up, and unleash over the last 200.

idiot

learn to read

6/15/2012 2:21AM

These internet coaches are weenies.

You will get better results by being bolder.

Go out in 49.9 and aim for 1:44-high at 800. Then hang on. Here's the model.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUH3X0Wv2c

1000m TT wrote:Lucky for me, I didn't ask you to predict my 1500 after my 2:31tt. Christ, I probably would have gone out in 64

because a 2'31tt is nonsense with a simultaneous 3'44.3

i didn't even need to look at a calculator

just look at masterkova who ran 1'55.8/2'28.9/4'12.5 - she was likely in 3'53.8 shape off her mile based on standard 1.08 conversion

how can greatest "clean" non-chinese 1500 runner of all time run 2'28.9 compared to your 2'31 & only go a converted 3'53.8 compared to your superhuman 3'44.3 ???

I'm too lazy to go back and read what you wrote on 6/15 at 2:21am, so I'll just guess it went like this:

My original prediction for 3:54.6 was accounting for his 800m and 1km times being perfectly paced with great competition. Of course an allowance is to be made for times run out of competition with no one else pushing the pace and that allowance can vary from individual to individual. Thus my original prediction should not be taken seriously.

Or something like that. You're right, I am an idiot for missing that.

2:31 alone in practice isn't nonsense compared to a 3:44 with good competition.

Re: Masterkova

Did she run her 1k alone IR in a race?

Thanks for once again proving you have no idea what I'm trying to tell you.

1000m TT wrote:I'm too lazy to go back and read what you wrote on 6/15 at 2:21am, so I'll just guess it went like this:

idiot

lazy + stoopid

go read 6/15/2012 2:21AM

2:31 alone in practice isn't nonsense compared to a 3:44 with good competition

it is

Re: Masterkova

Did she run her 1k alone IR in a race?

no

she front ran that from 400 out

nothing much different from a well motivated tt

Thanks for once again proving you have no idea what I'm trying to tell you.

moron

how can masterkova only go a converted 3'53.8 & you a 3'44.3 ???

Are you really this mad?

Anyways, I'll concede to maybe 'outlier' but I still don't think it's nonsense to run nearly as fast, as fast, or (sometimes) faster for 50% additional distance than what you can do alone in practice. I'll also add that a time run solo/frontrun in a race is probably a middle ground between solo TT and full-on race with competition in regards to how much an athlete is likely to 'step up'.

Back to Masterkova. I can't believe I'm saying this again, but her 1km was raced with competition. You can expect her 1km time to be faster in relation to her 1500m time because it is more likely to produce a fast time when racing others at or near your ability level than when running alone in practice. Not to mention my 3k time is probably much faster. Or maybe I'm just terrible at running by myself (which I think I already noted earlier).

ventolin^3 wrote:

then you are a f*cking idiot

Are you afraid to use the word "fuck"? If you're going to use a "bad word," you might as well use the actual word instead of pretending that replacing the u with a * somehow changes the meaning.

as a rough guess:

double the 800m time to get the 1500m time.

El Guerrouj, maybe 1:43, x2=3:26.

Webb: 1:43.8x2=3:27 (3 seconds too fast, but he had more in him later than that 3:30 in June or early July in Paris with a powerful kick)

OP: 1:51x2=3:42. Not going to have as good speed decay as El G or Webb. But mid 3:40s not out with improved shape from the 800m pr.

no

you are a f*cking idiot

no

you are an idiot to believe a 2'31tt indicates 3'44 ability

no idiot

it is complete drivel

extrapolate your "wonderful" method to 3k to 5k

impress me moron

no

if you are professional enough, the only differences are lack of drafting/lack of uneven pace as you set your own pace

for distances below 1500, these shoud more or less cancel out

idiot

i doubt it was more than 1s faster than if she'd tt

that still gives 2'30 & she has converted 3'53.8

what part of your numbskull doesn't understand 3'53.8 for women ???

idiot

drafting benefit is countered by uneven pace

in a tt you can check your watch every 200

moron

your 3'44 is already 6s faster than women's wr of 3'50 held by chinese & now you want to talk 3k ???

you think you have far better endurance than the chinese women ???

idiot

try some comparisons :

3'29/7'20

3'51/8'06

work out those 2 ratios & apply them to your 1500 & 3k times

off your 3'44.3, from above if you ran faster than

7'51

then i'll not post on this thread again ( you better provide some proof )

And yet here we are. A 2:31.0 alone in practice and a 3:44.3 in competition (though I have to admit, I had two weeks of sharpening between the two). Funny how your theory doesn't line up with reality, yet I'm the idiot.

Yeah, I suppose if I ran a 2km TT alone I could probably race that pace with competition. Or 3.2km to 5km. Hell, for me I personally I think the 'step up' factor would only get bigger for longer races.

I don't think drafting is the main factor in why we're able to run faster in races. It's the competition. I'd go so far to say that if you're professional enough you should be able to rise to the occasion. Do you think Centro could go out to the track alone and run 2:14 (I used 3.5s faster/400m than 1500m pace, which I think is roughly what you'd predict) for 1km? Because I don't. I think he's a terrific competitor though and will likely finish near the front of any 1500m he enters, fast or slow.

Gonna have to disagree. How many examples do you know of where athletes have been able consistently run within 0.6% of their best competition times, while alone? Do you see a lot of 3:35 or 3:45 guys running 3:36.mid or 3:46.mid alone in practice? Maybe I'm just weak, but there's no way in hell I'm capable of that.

Drafting is not the main factor. And why is the pace all of the sudden uneven (or more uneven than solo)? Just because you're alone doesn't mean you're a metronome. Besides, most athletes' PRs come from rabbited races, so that throws your 'uneven pacing' theory out.

I don't think I brought up Chinese women and their 3k times. Hell, I didn't even say I was good at the 3k. I think I said my 3k time was probably better than Masterkova's, since you asked me why I was able to run faster than her 1500m with a slower 1km tt time. Seems like a logical piece of the puzzle to me. The other piece of course being that athletes are capable of running faster with competition than while alone in practice

I think you ought to relax a bit. I'm not disagreeing with your formulas, in fact, I respect how good they work out most of the time. I'm just letting you know personally, from a decently competitive athlete, that a time trial is not a race. Jesus, you'd think I just got done raping and murdering your mother. Please stop calling me names, it's eroding my self-esteem.

moron

find me 1 recorded human in history with a 2'31pb who has run 3'44

so what is the 3k to 5k method ???

offer me a formula not drivel

what are you drivelling ???

cruz of gold/1'41.77 ran 2'14.0

no idiot is going to compare those

paula said she ran 4'01tt in her book

her race pb is 4'05

your assertion is meaningless

i also stated "for distances less than 1500"

moron

you are supposed to metronome a tt

haven't you any clue at all ???

idiot

your stated 1500 is nearly 9s better than masterkova, the mile wr-holder; when you mention 3k, naturally we are going to talk about women's 3k

i asked you moron

you run 7'51 ???

moron

you run 9s faster than non-chinese 1500wr holder off far slower 1k ( & she won 800 gold )

you shoud be at least double 9s off non-chinese 3k wr, which is szabo's 8'21

i'll be generous :

you run 8'03 ???

not extent of 2'31tt to 3'44 you moron

then f*ck off

you have posted copious drivel

you're way out of your depth here kid