Meb 63:11, Hall 65:39, Smith 68:37

bottom line: you have a problem w/ your creator - don't bring it to lets run.

TLW wrote:

Also says he was hoping to run 61 today.

You are making sh*t up with that. He said in the pre race interview that it was a tempo and if he were to hit 63 feeling like a tempo he would extremely happy. HE WAS NOT RACING.

Anybody have Ritz's number , get that Sunday long run in !

I understand the idea of training through a race or using a race as a tempo, but not against your only real competitor in the US. If he won in 1:05 chillin Id think there was Something to the idea that he wasnt taking it seriously, but he just got crushed again by Meb. I cant imagine he laced them up today knowing Meb was in the field with the intention of letting meb beat him so badly. As an US marathon fan Im concerned. I want Hall to challenge for a medal and he had a chance to check his fitness against a strong medal contender. I think he didnt have it,and that worries me, but if he shrugged this off and tempoed the course in some ways that scares me more.

You have to practice competing. Hall runs by himself and never gets that in practice. He cant waste those chances in races ( and I seriously doubt he did.)

Hopefully this was a off day as he has time to get this right. I also hope he gets in a couple good shorter races and competes for a win against legit competition.

You need to open your eyes. Ryan Hall is not interested in winning, he's just along for the ride.

Here's the interview where he says he was "trying to come here and run 61 or something good..."

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/249382-2012-Rock-n-Roll-San-Diego-Marathon-Half-Marathon/video/639241-Ryan-Hall-part-1-after-6539-at-2012-Rock-n-Roll-San-Diego-Half-Marathon

cruTT43 wrote:

hall is a joke, typical in all clowns who flaunt their "faith in the lord" crap. no matter what training he is in the middle of there is absolutely no excuse to run that slow in a 10k and now a half. I ran a PR of 2:19:33 2 years ago and could jog local half marathons in 69 minutes, pathetic.

You are a hack loser, no one cares what you think or what you ran.

Good job only listening to the middle of what he said. The full quote is more like "im not going to lie. when I was first looking at doing this race, right after starting back training after the trials, I was thinking about trying to come here and run 61 minutes or something good. But as time went my volume wasn't where I wanted it to be and my plantar...". Why watch the interview if your not going to listen to it? And yes he called it a "race" because well....he was at a race. But he did not race. Go watch the pre race interview. Then again if you only listen to half of what therein says...who knows what you get out of it. And yes i'm totally being a d*ck...I'm posting on let's run :)

cenotaph wrote:you should not be able to tempo MP for a half this far before the goal race. if you can, thats not a tempo effort and youre just lying to yourself.

This is a good point. For many inexperienced runners, when they say "I ran a 10-mile tempo run today," what they really mean is "I ran an all-out 10-mile race today, but it wasn't really a race because I did it alone and didn't have a number pinned to my singlet."

I have no idea if Hall is injured, or what pace he hoped to run -- but I do know that the time alone means nothing either way.

hold the phone wrote:

For many inexperienced runners, when they say "I ran a 10-mile tempo run today," what they really mean is "I ran an all-out 10-mile race today, but it wasn't really a race because I did it alone and didn't have a number pinned to my singlet."

Please, please, please make this a quote of the day. Summarizes so well what is wrong with idiot morons who have no idea what "tempo" means or what the purpose of workouts are.

cruTT43 wrote:

hall is a joke, typical in all clowns who flaunt their "faith in the lord" crap. no matter what training he is in the middle of there is absolutely no excuse to run that slow in a 10k and now a half. I ran a PR of 2:19:33 2 years ago and could jog local half marathons in 69 minutes, pathetic.

Jogging faster than your marathon pace! You are the man!

If Hall is going to run like this in London it is only right that he gives his spot to Ritz. Ritz is in shape and healthy while Hall is injured and his performances are declining.

Shoebacca wrote:

F5 wrote:

Not sure if you're serious?!?

That is correct. Ritz is next in line if anyone pulls out.

No way is Ritz running the marathon now. He's been doing 5k/10k training since he got 4th in January. Plus if he can pull out another 12:56, which I truly believe he can, and I'll even go as far to say that he can go sub-27, there's no reason for him to do the marathon.

Hall ran well off his training from Mahon, like someone else mentioned. What we are seeing now is a slow decline in performance.

Hall should have won the trials. He should not be losing Meb, who is an amazing athlete, but in his late 30's. Hall will be the 3rd American in the Olympics and won't crack the top 15.

Hall's injured and it's only going to get worse.

Everyone complaining on this forum cannot run a 65.

Believe in God, have faith in your training Ryan. GO RYAN!

I think Ryan's decline over the last year is due more to Sara talking him into leaving altitude to go join that cult at sea level than to him coaching himself, to be honest....

Yotill wrote:

You have to practice competing. Hall runs by himself and never gets that in practice. He cant waste those chances in races ( and I seriously doubt he did.)

Completely agree. Got to keep that edge. Got to suffer a little and keep pushing. Even if you aren't tapering for the race and doing it all out, no reason not to at least put for a better effort than Hall did today. Unless his fitness just isn't there.

Runquick wrote:

If Hall is going to run like this in London it is only right that he gives his spot to Ritz. Ritz is in shape and healthy while Hall is injured and his performances are declining.

Qualify for the Olympics then tell me how easy it would be to give your spot up. Unless you had both your legs blown off in a freak land mine accident you would start a race no matter how hurt you were. Even with no legs you'd probably still try to go. Remember Ritz in 2004 in that 10000? Pathetic but he earned it. Hall earned this, he should never give up that spot to some dude he beat when it mattered.