Whatever the World and olympics records were on July 16th 1976 is what they should be. Anything after that was cheating dirty and drugged infested. If they was caught or not is a different story. They should take blood samples of every athlete today and store them for future testing, techincally we dont know how long epo..etc has been around
clearing the bs up wrote:
coach dd cooper wrote:cannot agree with the 100, 200, 400 and 400H...actually cannot stop laughing that someone thinks the performances are clean...
I don't really know anything about the hurdles so I didn't really look at em. On second thought, I'm not sure if I'd say with certainty that kiplagat has the clean 1500m WR, he ran that time in his first european track race ever. That is kind of suspicious.
On second thoughts you might be right about Kiplagat. He never quite recaptured that initial form, although he is still very young. I plumped for him as there are just so many that I distrust above him on the lists and around his 3:29 mark!
Not sure about Niyongabo, as he competed in that EPO era, so perhaps its' Chipchirchir (3:29.29) or Choge on 3:29.47.
Idontevenknow wrote:
Besides the fact that Geb broke 27 world records, what evidence do you guys have that he doped?
Seriously - Geb and Bekele (and Lagat) are some of the few runners from the EPO era who continued to kick @ss and take names after the EPO test came out.
deanouk wrote:
Koneko wrote:deanouk, so Bolt and Johnson were clean but el G wasn't? Your antisemitism is showing.
I can't remember who posted it, but the all-Caucasian WR list made me lol.
What!? That statement has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
"Anti-semitic" means hatred of Jews.
1) EL G isn't Jewish. Quite the opposite in fact; and
2) No, I'm not anti-semitic.
I believe Bolt and Johnson to be clean, yes. There are other who have got close to their marks.
EL G came along at the height of EPO and his times were way ahead of what was projected in the progression of world records. His times over several distances are out of reach of everyone today, and those that got quite close were competing in the same EPO era; Lagat & Ngeny, who I believe to be equally likely of having doped.
It wasn't so much the times of EL G that is suspicious, but the way in which he did it (not even out of breath at the end) and the almost mechanical regularity in which he ran ridiculous times, week in week out. And he hardly ever seemed to get injured or get ill. Too many alarm bells for my liking I'm afraid.
I don't get the same intuitive feeling when it comes to Johnson or Bolt. I could be wrong about them of course. All I do know is that I'm more confident about EL G having doped than of Bolt or Johnson not doping.
Yes el G competed during the "EPO era." Just like Bolt and company are currently competing during the "SAMRS era."
People will be laughing at Bolt's times 20 years from now in the same way that no one takes the Chinese/East German women's records seriously.
I meant SARMS of course. LRC needs an edit button.
Estimated probability that a world record is/was clean:
1970's to present: 0%
1960's: 50%
1950's: 75%
1940's: 95%
1930's: 98%
prior to 1930's: 100% (steroids hadn't been invented)
It would be more interesting to talk about the WOMEN'S records since almost all of them are dirty.
Rudisha is definitely #1 clean man. He's just a straight HASSSSSS. He has insane athleticism, great speed, and a great coach who's put him through miles and miles of great aerobic training to pull that speed over 800m. Plus a great pacer, he's just an animal.
deanouk wrote:1500m - 3:29.27 - Kiplagat (possibly Morceli's 3:28.86 from 92, but not his 3:27 WR)
You think he ran 3.28 clean and only improved by a second on EPO when you could shoot as much EPO as you felt like?
Sad to think about! wrote:
I hate to call Tergat, Bekele, and Geb dopers, but they probably are.
Tergat a doper?
You need your little bottom spanked.
NOT A WEETARD wrote:Tergat a doper?
You need your little bottom spanked.
exactly
my 1st'n'only time of seeing tergat live-in-flesh was '04
he ambled along athens mains road ( obviously injured/incapacitated ) & he looked a formidable specimen 40 - 50 yards out
looked near 6' & good shoulders
however, when he passed me observing, his A-P diameter was
astonishing !
he literally had no chest depth !!!
i've examined a few 1000's+ in 30y+ of day job in 1st world
i've never seen before/after any specimen like
Tergat
prior to 1968
Rome may have been the last more or less clean olympics, but that is in question as the late hal connelly alleged US event guys were doing amphetamines as early as 1956
Oddsmaker wrote:
prior to 1930's: 100% (steroids hadn't been invented)
Testosterone was definitely around then. Tour de France riders chewed on bull testicles for testosterone and took cocaine, among other forms of assistance.
Thomas Hicks was given strychnine and brandy while he was on his way to winning the 1904 Olympic Marathon.
The reasoning behind speculations of who took drugs intrigues me.
Do you think anyone with an IQ over say 110, or even 100, has ever been banned from athletics for drugs?