Don't forget Sean Smith was 44th in 2000 Cross for CU as a walk-on to all-American runner.
Don't forget Sean Smith was 44th in 2000 Cross for CU as a walk-on to all-American runner.
In fall of 94 I met Wetmore in Boulder and asked him if he'd be interested in a 10:00 2 miler I coached back East. He siad, "Our program is BUILT on ten-minute guys."
If you have ever read any interviews concerning Torres or Ritz...they'll say that there summer running is SIX days a week.
dial it up and look for your self.
Wow.I didn't realize Wisco/Schumacher were that tough.Like others have stated though,you can't argue with their results.
Still,I do wonder what might happen if a greater number of unheralded high school runners were given a shot.There have got to be a few big talents out there who pick up running late in high school and never pursue their potential, be it their own decision or lack of opportunity.Can't blame the big name programs though.They want to win and budgets are tight.
In order to determine the difference between the impact of Wetmore and the impact of Boulder, answer me this:
1. How many walk on All Americans (woaa's) did Wetmore produce before he got to CU?
2. How many woaa's has CU produced prior to Wetmore?
From what I am reading, Boulder has a bigger impact than does Wetmore.
Do you read this board after drinking One Keg? I'll help you out here; first, I know that the different college programs respect eachother and this has nothing to do with anything that I posted. Second, Larson did not go through the "time trial" that is now in place, this method of starting the season started after Wetmore became head coach. Thirdly, Cooper was not recruited because he transferred in from Rice before Wetmore was head coach. Next, Wetmore is a good coach and no different than many others. His reputation as a coach that develops walk ons should be the same as other coaches. Wetmores' walk ons are NOT runners who show up at the track, introduce themselves, and ask for a shot. Take the blinders off.
Emotional, are we? First, the "?" mark at the end of a sentence indicates a question. I was told this about Friedberg, so I asked the question. Second, One Keg said that my original post said that Wetmore produced Zero walk on All Americans. May I suggest that he reads my original post without the benefit of having One Keg.
summertime wrote:
"Colorado XC runners do summer base work of 80+ mile weeks all on singles, six days a week"
you made a small error here. they run their miles in singles, yes, but they go SEVEN days a week. they're real runners and don't take unnecessary breaks from their training.
Paula Radcliffe only runs 6 days a week, does that mean she is taking unnecessary breaks?
Not emotional, only incredulous. Problem is, you didn't end that sentence with a "?": "Didn't Friedberg go to school in Steamboat Springs after hs so that he could get in state tuition and transfer credits without starting his eligability. (sic)" Period, not question mark, Einstein.
Oops, you're right. So put a question mark there and read it.
Run In the Buff wrote:
Oops, you're right. So put a question mark there and read it.
Too little, too late.
At least I can hold my liquor and it seems you might be imbibing in something a mite more hallucinogenic than beer.
I'll quote you directly Run In The Buff:
Post #10: (on this thread): "Everyone who runs for the team has been asked to run, not the other way around."
We've already established this is horsecrap.
Post #17: "If Wetmore is known for taking "walk ons" to all american status there must be a list available. I still say BS."
More horsecrap. We've made that list available at your request (see above). Now you deny the existence of your statement that there were never any walk-ons who became All-Americans at CU.
Post #21: How does a list of 4 build a reputation? Didn't Friedberg go to school in Steamboat Springs wo he could get in state tuition and transfer credits without starting his eligability (sic)? Wasn't he like a 21 year old freshman? He didn't get on that program without some recruiting. Now you have three."
Your changing your tune a bit. Still, the Friedberg argument was shot down and the list is quite a bit larger than four.
Post #23: Tell when they are all americans. I maintain that the "reputation" is without foundation! Interesting that under the program that Wetmore is running now, Larson wouldn't have made the cut in the open time-trial and no one would have ever heard of him."
Funny how you imply that Scotty Larson would not have made the team under Wetmore, alhough he did make the team in 1993 under Wetmore. There was an open XC time trial in 1993 won by Ron Salazar.
Post #35: "So here's the deal. Don't believe everything you read. One thing seems common with the under 30 crowd is that if they read something twice it must be fact. On the issue of taking runners from "walkons" to All-American status has happened maybe 3 times. Other coaches have done the same thing without the walk on water image. The system that is in place would have shit canned Larson and yet people use Larson as an example. Just because Lear printed a book does not make it fact. The fact is CU has produced All-American runner from material that no one else wanted for decades. This did not start with Wetmore. Wetmore did not invent running in Boulder."
'Don't believe everything you read.' I'll take that to heart when I read your posts. 'On the issue of taking "walk-ons" to All-Americans status has happened maybe 3 times.' (Or closer to 10). 'Other coaches have doene the same thing without the walk on water image.' (Who? WHO?? What coaches? What athletes? You've been dodging that question). 'The system that is in place would have shit canned Larson and yet people use Larson as an example.' This is the same time trial system that was in place in 1993 and then-assistant coach Mark Wetmore was hired as head coach in 1995. Only Title IX or the natural state of progression within the program would modify anything Wetmore does at CU.
More on Scotty Larson. Ron Salazar won the 1993 CU open time trial, a 4.7-mile race, in 23:48 at the CU Reservoir over Larson and others. Culpepper won it in 22:49 in 1994, beating Goucher. After that year it was moved to Gallagher Ranch, then eventually to CU's home course at Buffalo Ranch. Also, surprise, surprise, CU harriers have a second shot to make the team at the Rocky Mountain Shootout 8K the first Saturday in October. That's TWO chances to make the team, not one or none.
'Just because Lear printed a book does not make it fact.' Maybe but Lear hung around the team for a few years and knows a lot more about CU than you appear to. I know Chris Lear and you sir are no Chris Lear!
'The fact is CU has produced All-American runner (sic) from material that no one else wanted for decades. This did not start with Wetmore. Wetmore did not invent running in Boulder.' True. MIchael Snadrock is one. There are a few others from the 1960s to 1990s. Wetmore had produced twice as many All-Americans from 1995 to present than CU has produced in the entire history of his program.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it. On second thought, you've had more than enough.
Focus. Not from walk ons, runners who show up on campus and ask to run.
All runners must call or e-mail wetmore, he does not recruit. This is the same for scholarship athletes, and walk-ons. Even if you do know I kid is comming, if he isn't on scholarship he is a walk on.
Mr. Timo,
Using your definition it would seem that every runner in the Ivy League is a walk on. How about the Air Force, are these runners walk ons?
runningrebel wrote:
Paula Radcliffe only runs 6 days a week, does that mean she is taking unnecessary breaks?
She needs that extra day to load up.
Everyone at Air force goes to college free. And the IVY league gets you the hook up with acdemic scholarships, and other things. Every one at Air force is on scholarship, you just have to give 5 years of your life to the Air force after college. And I do believe they recruit, I know they do, and so does the ivy leauge. CU does not, you have to goto them. Bowerman did the same thing in his day, and never like to me called coach just like wetmore. I think they are alot a like in some ways.
So"if he's not on scholarship, he is a walk on" means what in relation to the Ivy League? There is no such thing as a walk on at AFA? If a runner is on a full ride academic scholarship, is he a walk on? or always a walk on?
I guess in the ivy league if u were recruited ur not a walk on. I guess rojo can awnser that better.
Hodgie-san wrote:
Putting in the necessary background (as Wetmore suggest) does not require rocket science or even coaching.
This is the base for all future training and success using any legit means necessary.
Can you comprehend that?
Both you and Malmo have used the same phrase, "It ain't rocket science" many times on this board as part of your "don't need it/just run" philosophy and mentality trashing modern training methods incorporating exercise science/physiology.
To turn around and sing the praises of someone like Wetmore--who has an advanced degree in exercise physiology--as though he is backing up your trashing philosophy by the flimsy arguement that he runs his teams on higher mileages is pathetic and hypocritical.
Can YOU comprehend that?