RE: Why isn't Letsrun up in arms about a 26-year old breaking an NCAA record?

^ meant to say "quite a few"

I thought Amy Weissenbach coach WAS an olympian

Felix Sanchez Hurdle Coach

Quincy Watts Sprint Coach

Tim Sharpe Distance Coach

Matt Lachman Pole Vault Coach

Joanna Hayes Sprint and Hurdle Coach

Damn the coaches at that school real like a whose who

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So why not let foreigners run US Trials since it is easier for them to win in the US rather than their native country. Just open it up to whoever could not qualify elsewhere.

We have US Trials and championships for US based runners to know who is the best in the US from the US. We run world and Olympic championships to know who is best in the world.

Why can't we do the same at the high school level?? I am not saying take these kids out of competition, but just to separate records or national bests. If these young athletes have citizenship of course, it is all legal, but pending status's should be looked at just as if they were adults. The harder the competition, the better for the US, but don't take away US based records to US students. There is a fine line, but it can be accommodated.

No, "whose" the possessive is correct. Yes, I definitely need an edit button.

We've been over this ground before. While there are no hard-and-fast age limits in the NCAA rule book, practically speaking, the five-year clock and the 21 year rule make it prohibitively difficult for anyone to compete past 25 barring military, volunteer, or missionary work. While theoretically it is possible to image a scenario in which a 30 year old could maintain eligibility and get a running scholarship. Practically speaking it wouldn't happen. The athlete would have to be eligible without having to take full time classes and also would have to stop competing in organized events before their 21st birthday.

Div III has more flexibility w/o the 21 year rule. I remember back in the late 80s- early 90s Jan Cado (6th place in the 1983 world championship triple jump) defected from Czechoslovakia, enrolled at North Central, and brought them a few national team titles. (Yes kids, there once was a nation called Czechoslovakia and once upon a time countries in Eastern Europe didn't allow legal migration to the West.) He was 30 when he graduated from NCC in 1993. Coach Carius had a nice surprise when a 56'10" triple jumper knocked on his door one day.

Because it still isn't better than Alan Webb's 3:53.

den bosch wrote:

Because it still isn't better than Alan Webb's 3:53.

Exactly! I'm not convinced that age is an advantage in middle distance running. Miles Batty ran a very good 1500 last year. People mature at different rates. Maybe he will get better, maybe not. But he did a 2 year mission where he supposedly did not run at all. So it wasn't like he was building his base.

I think a little maturity gives strength for cross country so maybe it is an advantage then.

Ricky Sanchez wrote:

[quote]here we go now wrote:

Let's be honest. Your problem is with kids from Africa breaking American records. There is a word for that. Oh yeah. RACIST

Racism means that someone thinks their race is superior to all others. So that does not qualify a racism. What is even more annoying are people like you that create racism out of nothing and keep it overly exaggerated in todays society.

There are some things that make no sense here but it has nothing to do with nationality!

Centro doesn't get the NCAA record because he was not representing an NCAA team. That is why Verzbicas should not have any records. He wasn't representing a high school team when he ran them. Cheserek is representing a high school team and running a high school schedule. He even ran an 800/1600/3200 triple in one meet this year.

People that are complaining about age are just ridiculous. Junior records include age, high school records and college records don't. The fact is, even when these kids show their age, you claim their birth certificate is wrong (the excuse you use for saying your not racist because your mad about black kids getting records). You are the same fools that still will not accept that Obama was born in America (the excuse you use to say your not racist for not wanting a black President).

Stop and think for three friggin seconds and I am sure you will realize kids in third world countries are not doctoring their birth certificates so they can get here and break a high school record....that is surely what they are thinking.

IDIOTS!

craig mcmahon wrote:

Sidenote- to the poster who mentioned it was silly that Batty lost to Centro, who is both younger and in college, and still got credited with the "collegiate record" because Centro is a pro, it is more proper to say Batty has the "NCAA indoor mile record." Because the NCAA competition dominates collegiate athlete participation, people often say "the collegiate record" which is a little misleading. As others have noted, professional athletes like Morceli have run faster and been in an American college, but that isn't how it works.

Agreed, but BYU's sports website has made a huge deal over the fact that Batty has run the "fastest ever collegiate mile" and have been referring to it as a "college runner record" rather than an "NCAA record". They've also deleted posts by myself and others pointing out that he is not the fastest ever collegiate runner to race the mile in order to further their ridiculous claims. I just think it needs to be pointed out that this is not the fastest mile ever by a collegiate runner.

One other thing I was thinking about... should this even count for an NCAA record? This isn't an NCAA meet whatsoever, so by the meet's standards, Centro and Batty are both just college kids running in the meet, neither of them having anything to do with NCAA here.

Thinking the mile is more important that the 1500 is also a form of racism.

Raptured wrote:

Agreed, but BYU's sports website has made a huge deal over the fact that Batty has run the "fastest ever collegiate mile" and have been referring to it as a "college runner record" rather than an "NCAA record". They've also deleted posts by myself and others pointing out that he is not the fastest ever collegiate runner to race the mile in order to further their ridiculous claims. I just think it needs to be pointed out that this is not the fastest mile ever by a collegiate runner.

One other thing I was thinking about... should this even count for an NCAA record? This isn't an NCAA meet whatsoever, so by the meet's standards, Centro and Batty are both just college kids running in the meet, neither of them having anything to do with NCAA here.

Ok, it's kind of splitting hairs to point that out to BYU. Technically, you're right- but c'mon, we know what they mean. NCAA is the dominant organization for intercollegiate competition in America. When we saw "a college kid ran 3:54! Dang!" no one with half a brain immediately starts thinking about a pro taking a course or two. Evan Jager and Alan Webb both had/have pro careers and go/were going to school. Don't be silly.

And of course it should count as an NCAA record. Batty is eligible for NCAA competition, currently competing at a school, and represented said school in the competition in question. Obviously it's an NCAA record.

You guys are a bunch of douche bags.

hjiuh877hn wrote:

It's not a matter of racism, it's just national pride. Kenya wouldn't like it if Alan Webb (circa '07) went to college for a year in Nairobi and broke the national 800m record. Are they a bunch of racists too? Why is it only racism when Europeans or Americans want some semblance of national pride, not Africans or Asians?

National pride on Letsrun = cheering for Nick Willis, Mottram and Cam Levins and booing Lawi Lalang.

here we go now wrote:

Actually, it is not an American record. It is a college record. It is a high school record. It is not limited to American citizens and white foreigners

okay dumba$$ lets read what others wrote and realize we are wrong. Also realiz what I vote....you are creating racism... I included Lukas in my discussion of how these are American records. white black purple pink. if they were born in the US the should be allowed to contest them. But if you aren't from here you shouldn't hold the records of americans. We clearly aren't better but the record book of American history should be written by Americans. Not Ches and not Lukas. Yes a white foriegner. just like they can not represent our countyr in the olympics why can they break our records. IDIOT

Koppenberg wrote:

We've been over this ground before. While there are no hard-and-fast age limits in the NCAA rule book, practically speaking, the five-year clock and the 21 year rule make it prohibitively difficult for anyone to compete past 25 barring military, volunteer, or missionary work. While theoretically it is possible to image a scenario in which a 30 year old could maintain eligibility and get a running scholarship. Practically speaking it wouldn't happen. The athlete would have to be eligible without having to take full time classes and also would have to stop competing in organized events before their 21st birthday.

This guy will be 29 when the NCAA outdoor meet rolls around.