Race finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV3_6F7ens
Lance walks right past Docherty and never acknowledges him, let alone congratulating him.
Race finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV3_6F7ens
Lance walks right past Docherty and never acknowledges him, let alone congratulating him.
They're not going to make it long, they cater to the average joes, just like road races. They want fast times. Not trying to be a tough guy, just being realistic, that Lance's time is not accurate, as others above are touting his potential dominance in the sport.
Wasn't Armstrong a pretty good triathlete in his younger days?
long sox wrote:
Race finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV3_6F7ensLance walks right past Docherty and never acknowledges him, let alone congratulating him.
Wow, what a magnanimous, charitable human being Lance is. His true colors come out.
long sox wrote:
Race finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV3_6F7ensLance walks right past Docherty and never acknowledges him, let alone congratulating him.
Yeah, it's no secret that Lance is crazy competitive and a bit of a jerk. I would understand if he was pissed off for losing the race. I'm sure 99% of this board doesn't know what it's like to feel that competitively.
Traditionally, Ironman courses in the "Americas" tend to be the correct distance, while European Ironman courses well known to often be short. While the bike course at Panama 70.3 is very challenging (part of the reason for the "slow" average speed), the run course was reported to be fast and flat. 1:12 for the winner is not surprising since he's a 30:xx 10k guy who usually races much shorter course triathlons (ITU).
You missed a key point in the running course certification that enhances your point. Courses can't be short!
Lars Vance wrote:
For all you tri-boys, here are the rules. Dream all you want, Lance
For an actual running road race half-marathon:
IAAF COMPETITION RULES 2008
RULE 240
Road Races
The length of the course shall not be less than the official distance for the event. In competitions under Rules 1.1(a), (b), (c) and (f), the uncertainty in the measurement shall not exceed 0.1% (i.e. 42m for the Marathon) and the length of the course should have been certified in advance by an IAAF approved course measurer.
-So for a road half-marathon, the course could be short by 21 meters for the Half-Marathon distance.
For a triathlon:
ITU Competition Rules
N.2 Distances (b) Demanding and technical courses should always be preferred. A 5% error margin will be accepted for the cycle and run course provided the margin has been approved by the Technical Delegate.
So for a Triatlon Half-Marathon, the course could be short by 1.05 kilometres (~0.654925 miles) for the Triathlon Half-Marathon distance.
http://www.triathlon.org/docs/competition-rules-20080601-vf.pdf
He was a really good triathlete in his younger days and ranked 1st in USAT's u20 division. Also don't forget that this is the off season for a lot of athletes.
As for the swim times, the fastest swim time at IM world championships this past year was 49:44 (the record in Kona is 46:41), and that's twice as far. So yes, those times are fast, but not unreasonably so.
aidan wrote:
Traditionally, Ironman courses in the "Americas" tend to be the correct distance, while European Ironman courses well known to often be short. While the bike course at Panama 70.3 is very challenging (part of the reason for the "slow" average speed), the run course was reported to be fast and flat. 1:12 for the winner is not surprising since he's a 30:xx 10k guy who usually races much shorter course triathlons (ITU).
Is this a different course than the Gulf Coast Tri? Someone mentioned swimming in a canal, so I imagine it is. The bike of the GCT was very flat, how difficult can a bike be in Panama FL? Are there a lot of turns?
PS...not dogging anyone's performance. Personally I think Lance was just smoothing it out for the run.
article from MSN stating "Armstrong a sore loser?"
So once a douche always a douche
1. I am no longer listening to Lars Vance
2. I encourage every runner to do a triathlon before making any judgement on it
3. Docherty has run in the 29's off the bike in ITU races
4. Docherty is an Olympic silver and bronze medalist in triathlon.
5. Most well trained triathletes run almost the same time off the bike as they do open. Andriy yasterbov and Victor zyemstev definitely have shown this through their careers.
6. Why does number 5 make sense? Because they are triathletes.
7. 70.3 is a half IM distance, while 140.6 is a full IM. Note: Ironman is a brand
8. Just like all the runners here watch and get updates for races, they have that for triathlon too! The race updates on ironman.com and if you go back and read the updates you can actually see how it really panned out, instead of making assumptions on who was where and how they felt.
9. I'm not listening to Lars Vance anymore
berry berry wrote:
aidan wrote:Traditionally, Ironman courses in the "Americas" tend to be the correct distance, while European Ironman courses well known to often be short. While the bike course at Panama 70.3 is very challenging (part of the reason for the "slow" average speed), the run course was reported to be fast and flat. 1:12 for the winner is not surprising since he's a 30:xx 10k guy who usually races much shorter course triathlons (ITU).
Is this a different course than the Gulf Coast Tri? Someone mentioned swimming in a canal, so I imagine it is. The bike of the GCT was very flat, how difficult can a bike be in Panama FL? Are there a lot of turns?
Just fukking scratch this whole reply out, damit.
I am 100% a Lance Hater.
At the end of the day you have to give the guy some kudo\'s for that effort. 77min HM at the end of a HIM suggests he can run a 73min stand alone HM. For a 40yr old that is pretty good.
Hell even if you age grade a 77min half marathon to a 28yr old it would be around 72min.
Love him or hate him, he ran pretty well.
I am 100% a Lance Hater.
At the end of the day you have to give the guy some kudo\'s for that effort. 77min HM at the end of a HIM suggests he can run a 73min stand alone HM. For a 40yr old that is pretty good.
Hell even if you age grade a 77min half marathon to a 28yr old it would be around 72min.
Love him or hate him, he ran pretty well.
Lance H8r
Dude, what?
Calculators for triathlons don't work like that!
Rally wrote:
Lance H8r
Dude, what?
Calculators for triathlons don't work like that!
Not using a calculator for triathlon. Forget triathlon and an age graded 77min HM for a 40yr old is pretty good.
As far as what I said he should be capable of running (73min) in a stand alone is a guess, but the fact that I have done triathlons as well as the 70.3 distance. I don't think I am far off on thinking he could race a HM in the 73min range and that is a pretty solid time for a 40yr old regardless of wether you are a triathlete or not.
If you disagree, what are your thoughts regarding his run?
I obviously can't speak for this race, but most tri courses are as close to accurate as they can be. They're not held to as tight of a standard as a USATF race obviously, but maybe more along the lines of college xc.
I got involved with my local tri club through a friend, and while I've never actually done one (only as part of a relay) I've volunteered on a solid 12 races and done the running leg of 12 more (separate races, not the same ones multiple times). In general these guys care more about the numbers than runners do and every running leg I've completed has been accurate.
Like I said, I can't speak for every race, but I think that statement is probably just in the rules for exceptional cases for tris in exotic locations or something.
I think you guys are a little sensitive to the Lance attitude. I didn't see the winner make an effort to shake Lance's hand at the finish either.
Lance H8r:
You lost me when you said, "Forget triathlon"
well, i think you lost your logic then too...
Surely I would agree that he could run anywhere between 1:05 and 1:41, why?
That sounds more logical, since we are talking about humans...
but, if you did talk to Lance after the race and maybe roomed with him for years, or just during all his training leading up to the race, and examined his run training every day and started understanding his strengths and weaknesses, I would be more obliged to agree with a 1:13...
Don't forget triathlon, think about it more...