Olympic Trails Marathon Recent Inside Information

I must know the field better than you then. Wait till the results are out. This is a fast course. I'm expecting to at least take 2:13 down. It's my last race ever so I might as well go for the most. I know the minnesota guys are the same mindset. I know the major players won't really bring their times down much, but I see Hartman and Gotcher doing big things. especially since they've been out of the public eye.

My predictions

A relatively unknown (not favored for top 4-6) makes the team;

One or more of the favored top three (Ritz, Hall, Meb) don't break 2:10;

It would be a bad move if Rupp lead and pushed the pace with the intention of not finishing. I could see a possible DQ of teammate as result.

I think Rupp should run the trials seriously for making the team, and otherwise not run. Usually his style is to follow, so if he runs seriously, I see him not leading the race (not pushing), until the drive for the finish.

No problem as I believe nothing you say. Fast course or not you aren't taking 2:13 down and I will happily wait till the results are out, not to mention that you aren't even running Bozo!!!!! If you were you surely wouldn't be posting under a Thats Nifty bogus tag.

Then you will disappear and post under an anonymous name claiming to know it all. Unlike me, I will be back and I will be right. 12 guys are NOT breaking 2:12 and there will not be massive pr's among the top runners, so then I guess you don't really know the field to well then do you?

CoachTrack wrote:

No problem as I believe nothing you say. Fast course or not you aren't taking 2:13 down and I will happily wait till the results are out, not to mention that you aren't even running Bozo!!!!! If you were you surely wouldn't be posting under a Thats Nifty bogus tag.

Then you will disappear and post under an anonymous name claiming to know it all. Unlike me, I will be back and I will be right. 12 guys are NOT breaking 2:12 and there will not be massive pr's among the top runners, so then I guess you don't really know the field to well then do you?

Did you read anything I said? Your reading comprehension must suck! Did I say the top guys would have massive pr's? Read better next time. I've been posting here for awhile...

Obviously, since the marathon is a strange event and almost anything can happen you have to look at a few scenarios:

1. I agree with the posters who think it won't be super fast. There just aren't that many super fast Americans.

2. If the top 3 gets sorted out early it could end up being a "stroll" in- the top 3 just holding their positions as the 2:13 and slower guys trail.

3. I just don't see anyone running a massive PR, unless its a 2:16 guys running 2:13, like that.

4. I like what CoachTrack, who I responded to said.

5. Personally, and I'm no more of an expert than anyone else on this board, is who will the Dark Horse be?

I think Hall is in.

I have faith in Ritz to come through, just a feeling.

I don't think Meb will be ready, NY was too close to the Trials and I heard he injured his foot.

I DO think Rupp will make it IF he actually runs the whole thing.

If not Rupp, then one of those many guys we've been reading about/watching training videos about, etc

It'll be the guy who's bio-rythms (good Lord remember those?) are on that day.

I read EVERYTHING you said. Who, who, who is going to have a massive pr? Do you think Mike Morgan is going to drop 4 minutes because it's the the trials versus every other race he's ran? Nope.

Same for Nick.

Same for Brett.

Same for etc.....

As you can see, I am NOT a troll and am actually a pretty decent runner with a lot of experience yet I would never claim to be a 2:13 marathoner and not put my real name....and ironically I have actually spoken with several of these guys and even seen some of them train yet I hold firm with what I said.

There are a lot of fast courses that a lot of these 2:11-2:16 guys have ran, many times, and they've never popped one then. What is different now?

What has Jason L done since 4 years ago in the 07' trials? Now you suddenly believe someone "like him" is going to run a massive, MASSIVE PR, based off what recent perfomances?

With that said I obviously believe a 2:14 guy could run a 2:12 or slightly faster on a perfect day (TB in 04'), yet I would not call that a MASSIVE PR and in the end if that doesn't get that particular runner in the top 3, so what?

So no, my reading comprehension doesn't suck as I read everything you said, you just don't agree with me.

Good Day Nifty and good luck popping that 2:13...lol:)

Again you failed at reading comprehension. I've never said the words "massive pr". But good try. Thanks for the well wishes.

We are talking about the original OP to which you are responding to and then in turn to me. Again, you failed.

Wait, are you, with all of your wisdom, trying to claim that a few runners might pr next Saturday, but just not MASSIVELY? If so I have a newsflash for you. Are you ready? WE ALL ALREADY KNOW THAT!!!!!!!!!! It's happened before you know, people do pr as it's not a new phenomenon at all.

When someone like Jason, who broke 2:13 at the last trials runs 2:09, THAT will be a massive pr.

You need to go back and reread the original post, my post, my post to you, and of course all of your responses. You just aren't getting it dude and for that, you have my pity.

"American soil" = soil = dirt = trails = Olympic Trails?

Have we ever heard pre-race gossip like this before?

I know a few of these guys, too. Gee, you'd never guess it, but to a man they say they're in the shape of their lives and hoping for an honest pace. And get this confidential scoop that was leaked out - the guys who aren't among the favorites each have a clever plan which involves being "that guy" who runs smart and ends up having a banner day, picking off a bunch of the other chumps who have precisely the same plan but, alas, won't be "that guy."

Inside information? Technically, yes, since these guys are entered in the race.

Surprising or behind-the-scenes information that you wouldn't hear from the competitors before any other competitive marathon? Hardly.

CoachTrack wrote:

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Yeah, Nifty is right.

Lay off the coffee and take a chill pill.

Fernando Cabada. . . take it to the bank. Darkhorse pick

Cabada could definitely be the dark horse but I still expect Mo Trafeh may pull off a big race as well.

I'm telling you guys, Brent Vaughn WILL BE a serious player in this race!!!!

laffitup wrote:

Cabada could definitely be the dark horse but I still expect Mo Trafeh may pull off a big race as well.

I keep forgetting about those guys. It's really at the point where the dark horses aren't really dark horses. What the field lacks in sub 2:10ers it is abundant in with plenty of guys with a realistic chance- say the 2:12-2:14ers.

I want Ritz to come through, but I truly think Hall is the only "sure thing" as much as anyone can be a sure thing in the marathon.

Sure Nifty, way to use another alias. You are right? Why? That's what I thought Nifty, no logical answer back, hence I am right. No big surprises as usual. Ryan Hall, most likely Dathan, and a solid runner who has a decent day, without a MASSIVE PR:). I suggest you start drinking more coffee impartial observer, aka Nifty, as maybe you will be awaken to your ignorance of the sport.

U sir are a joke. CoachTrack is fricking spot on. Hall is making the team. Ritz has a very good chance. So then who will be the 3rd to make the team. Well CT is right, no one is going from 2:14 to 2:10, hence you ARE a moron. Sage "know it all" C. is not going to make the team. Do you think he is dropping HIS pr that much? To whoever said Vaughn or Hartmann or one of those guys, sure it could happen, but Hartmann I believe has run 2:11 plus, so if he made it and ran 2:10, what's the big fricking deal?????? I rarely do this but I too believe CoachTrack is right on the money. No one know for sure, but if I were a betting man I'd bet with his senario versus Nifty Dippy and the rest of you guys.

Mike

Read the entirety of what I said. I never claimed the top guys were going to have huge prs. Just that this course is fast and that I expect a lot of 2:12's. I never once said a guy was dropping 4 minutes...so why do you say I am a joke? Your reading comprehension must be poor as well. Either that or you haven't spent enough time on this thread to even see my comments.

CoachTrack wrote:

Sure Nifty, way to use another alias. You are right? Why? That's what I thought Nifty, no logical answer back, hence I am right. No big surprises as usual. Ryan Hall, most likely Dathan, and a solid runner who has a decent day, without a MASSIVE PR:). I suggest you start drinking more coffee impartial observer, aka Nifty, as maybe you will be awaken to your ignorance of the sport.

I'm not using another name. I have no idea who that kid is. I never once claimed a massive pr. I've run 2:14:22 so I think a 2:13 something or better yet, 2:12 is doable. Furthermore you aren't even arguing against my statement, but still the op. I just said the course was fast and that there will be about 15 2:12s. That's just the truth. The 2nd pack will be at 2:12 on this course.