LV will do better internationally in the tri than DF will in the 'thon. bad trade.
LV will do better internationally in the tri than DF will in the 'thon. bad trade.
gee I suck and I routinely average >20 mph on 20-50 mile training rides, it's not hard at all
That speaks more about the relative level of competition in tri's vs women's marathon that it does about LV's and Ficker's respective talents.
Wow, some of you guys really have no clue. I had a top 5 40k bike split overall at Age group nationals, riding sub 56, and routinely ride 26-27 in races. On my training rides I go 17-20 mph unless I am doing intervals. I usually do intervals inside on my computrainer, so 90% of my rides are below 20 mph. I bet the IM guy is telling the truth and most of you are just too ignorant about cycling to understand how different cycling is than running.
Another triathlete wrote:
Wow, some of you guys really have no clue. I had a top 5 40k bike split overall at Age group nationals, riding sub 56, and routinely ride 26-27 in races. On my training rides I go 17-20 mph unless I am doing intervals. I usually do intervals inside on my computrainer, so 90% of my rides are below 20 mph. I bet the IM guy is telling the truth and most of you are just too ignorant about cycling to understand how different cycling is than running.
I'm sure you have a point about something, but it's not clear who you are replying to, since no one in this thread posted as "IM guy".
But yes, I had a good LOL at this one:
"Pretty much every IM athlete does or at least should be doing all there training rides faster than IM pace".
In any case, for runners converting to triathlon, the best example (other than LV) I can think of, is Kate McIlroy of New Zealand, national recorder holder in the steeple, switched to Tri and had an ITU ranking of 20 at the end of her first year in Tri. Current ITU ranking is 17.
http://www.triathlon.org/results/rankings/Are there any Triathletes that switched to running that would be in the top 20 of their chosen distance?
Top 30 perhaps?
Another triathlete wrote:
Wow, some of you guys really have no clue. I had a top 5 40k bike split overall at Age group nationals, riding sub 56, and routinely ride 26-27 in races. On my training rides I go 17-20 mph unless I am doing intervals. I usually do intervals inside on my computrainer, so 90% of my rides are below 20 mph. I bet the IM guy is telling the truth and most of you are just too ignorant about cycling to understand how different cycling is than running.
You bet that "IM guy" is telling the truth in claiming he has never averaged over 20 mph in a single training ride? Even though your experience on 10% of your own rides contradicts him.
Well that makes... no sense at all.
Not big anything wrote:
You bet that "IM guy" is telling the truth in claiming he has never averaged over 20 mph in a single training ride? Even though your experience on 10% of your own rides contradicts him.
Well that makes... no sense at all.
Are you trolling or do you think that there's only one way to train?
Not big anything wrote:
Another triathlete wrote:Wow, some of you guys really have no clue. I had a top 5 40k bike split overall at Age group nationals, riding sub 56, and routinely ride 26-27 in races. On my training rides I go 17-20 mph unless I am doing intervals. I usually do intervals inside on my computrainer, so 90% of my rides are below 20 mph. I bet the IM guy is telling the truth and most of you are just too ignorant about cycling to understand how different cycling is than running.
You bet that "IM guy" is telling the truth in claiming he has never averaged over 20 mph in a single training ride? Even though your experience on 10% of your own rides contradicts him.
Well that makes... no sense at all.
Do you and some of the other posters need me to link the definition for AVERAGE speed?
Going by your logic, if you go to the track, do a 3mi warm-up, 6x800 on 2:25 and 2mi cool down, I assume you go around saying you did an 8mi run at 4:50 pace?
Peekaboo wrote:
Not big anything wrote:You bet that "IM guy" is telling the truth in claiming he has never averaged over 20 mph in a single training ride? Even though your experience on 10% of your own rides contradicts him.
Well that makes... no sense at all.
Do you and some of the other posters need me to link the definition for AVERAGE speed?
Going by your logic, if you go to the track, do a 3mi warm-up, 6x800 on 2:25 and 2mi cool down, I assume you go around saying you did an 8mi run at 4:50 pace?
How about when you do intervals like 6x800 at 2:25 with 1:00 rest? Do you count that as 4:50 pace or 6:50 pace?
Peekaboo wrote:
Not big anything wrote:You bet that "IM guy" is telling the truth in claiming he has never averaged over 20 mph in a single training ride? Even though your experience on 10% of your own rides contradicts him.
Well that makes... no sense at all.
Do you and some of the other posters need me to link the definition for AVERAGE speed?
Going by your logic, if you go to the track, do a 3mi warm-up, 6x800 on 2:25 and 2mi cool down, I assume you go around saying you did an 8mi run at 4:50 pace?
How about when you do intervals like 6x800 at 2:25 with 1:00 rest? Do you count that as 4:50 pace or 6:50 pace?
number king wrote:
Are you trolling or do you think that there's only one way to train?
Neither
Peekaboo wrote:
Do you and some of the other posters need me to link the definition for AVERAGE speed?
Going by your logic, if you go to the track, do a 3mi warm-up, 6x800 on 2:25 and 2mi cool down, I assume you go around saying you did an 8mi run at 4:50 pace?
You assume wrong and you aren't following the logic at all. No cyclist counts stopped time in average speed. The only consequence of stop lights is the actual slowing down/speeding up
A 20 mph training ride is nothing at all like a track workout for someone who can hold 23.5 mph for 112 miles in the middle of an IM. It's not even the equivalent of a tempo run.
long sox wrote:
Are there any Triathletes that switched to running that would be in the top 20 of their chosen distance?
Top 30 perhaps?
Craig Mottram ring a bell?
Not big anything wrote:
The only consequence of stop lights is the actual slowing down/speeding up
If it takes you that long to slow down, wouldn't you be way past the intersection by the time that you stopped?
Well if that's the case then you might as well just keep going and not stop at all, otherwise if you stop in the middle of the intersection it could be dangerous and someone might run right over you. Since you wouldn't be slowing down, then it doesn't take any time to speed up.
[quote]long lights wrote:
If it takes you that long to slow down, wouldn't you be way past the intersection by the time that you stopped?
No.
Adam C wrote:
Anyway, back to Ficker. From what I could find she has the following personal bests.
10K- 34:22
1/2 Marathon- 1:14:07
Marathon- 2:39:30
And for those female love calf muscles... :-)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/lorenpokorny/SDWib7UqAlI/AAAAAAAABCU/clJTjzb62b8/May08late004_thumb1.jpg
Hellooooooooo wrote:
who gives a crap about the why's and what's. Just enjoy.
http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/full/588587687.jpg
How does a woman get such an awesome body and calves like that? I used to bike a lot and never had calves like that (not that I'd want them), but yowsaaa what a body.
Mottram who? wrote:
long sox wrote:Are there any Triathletes that switched to running that would be in the top 20 of their chosen distance?
Top 30 perhaps?
Craig Mottram ring a bell?
True that... at least back in about 2004-2006 he was in the top 10 or top 20 in the 5000m.
But what I was really asking about, was someone that was competing in Tri at the senior level with some international success, then made the switch?
Couldn't find much on Mottram competing in Tri as a senior - it seems he ran in the Sydney Olympics in the 5000m as a 20 year old, rather than competing in the Triathlon. So it would appear he might have already made the switch as a junior athlete.
Ficker has done a fair amount of high level running while still a full time triathlete. She ran the 2008 Olympic trials marathon running 2:48:11 (79th out of 161 runners). She finished 10th in the 2009 NYC Marathon in 2:39:30 (PR). I wonder how much faster she'll get in the marathon? Can she break 2:30?
I see her stripe!
I definitely think she'll dip under 2:30, but if she doesn't do it in the next couple years, I doubt it'll happen. She ran for Alabama on a full ride back in the '90s and became fed-up with (only) running (possibly b/c of the coach/training), so she ended up in the triathlon.
