She is going to pay for it with the massive grants she'll receive as someone with a household income of around $70,000. I don't know how you still don't get this.
She is going to pay for it with the massive grants she'll receive as someone with a household income of around $70,000. I don't know how you still don't get this.
You could always help out what you can and have her pay as well. I paid for my own education and because of that I went to reasonably priced in state schools, including a community college for two years which was very reasonable in cost. O also had some of the best teachers in my college years (which included a BA, MA, and Ph.D) at the community college. This is all about choices and we all cannot do everything we want all the time. There are lots of good options besides the ivies. Or, if it is really that important she can borrow a boatload of money and spend the rest of her life paying it back.
As someone who paid for all his education I do not have a lot of sympathy here.
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Ok.
So first of all.
Harvard, and Columbia do not have strong running programs. While they are decent they will not be going to nats on a yearly basis.
Next. There is FASFA. Free Application for Free Student Aid. Tell her to get the application and send it in.
Next. Harvard has an endowment that is larger than the GDP of many African nations (combined) and they give out tremendous amounts of student aid on a need-based system. My kid sister is there- and has no student loans because the scholarship she got.
If you don't mind my saying- you're not obligated to pay your kids' tuition; legally they are on their own. she can get private loans and other financing options if need be.
Lastly, she wants to get in to 3 of the top Universities in the country, Harvard accepts 9% of their applicants; they get 23k apps for roughly 2000 spots, and while all parents think their kid is just the most special thing in the world- at Harvard and their kin, simple over-achievement isn't gonna cut it. I guess what I'm trying to say is; entertain the possibility that she could not get into any of those schools, and get some stopper schools in there.
Vanderbilt University - The Harvard of the South
Better weather, better running environment, better coach and team/conference/region. Their school of education is #1 in the country year in and year out beating Harvard and other ivies. All other programs (med/law/business/music) are top tier too.
dads and pricesses wrote:
Many problems with women stem from the fact that daddies chose the easy route:
- we men are never present @home
- but when, we just play the "my-little-princess" card and get unconditional love from daughters
This leads to
- high-maintanance women
- problematic realtionships because of expectations not-lower-than-a-prince, because of adequacy
- and for me as a bachelor I can only choose from 2nd-hand women because earlier in life they are generally unbearable -- before "grounded" for at least one time
This.
Although there are benefits. For short-term hookups it's hard to beat a college cutie with a well-developed daddy complex. She can f$$$ like a real biAtch. But she is no good for an actual relationship because she will be intolerably high maintenance.
Freelove wrote:
There's actually a huge amount of financial aid at most Ivies. How much do you make? If it's under I think 70k (not sure) you won't have to pay a dime. If your financial situation is bad you might actually be better off sending her to an Ivy.
That's true, but with a 10:32 3200 she will be getting full-ride offers at most every college in the country. Keep in mind that girls tend to be much better off in terms of scholarship numbers than boys are. However, if you can get a full-ride or very significantly reduced tuition at an Ivy you would be stupid to not take it. By the way, what is the best GPA possible at your daughter's high school? What is her unweighted GPA?
My friend went to Princeton and he told me that almost everyone who attends the school leaves with very little debt. They have an amazing financial aid program (great alums) that keeps the cost, for the people that can't afford it, low. It is also the best running school when it comes to the ivies.
If your kid is smart enough to get into Harvard/Yale/Princeton you do what it takes to send her.
10.32 for 3000m or 2 miles?
I recently graduated from an Ivy League school where I ran track and field. The financial aid process at Ivy League schools is very comprehensive. If your wife just got laid off, then the tuition that your daughter will have to pay will go down drastically. Basically the financial aid office at your daughter's ivy league school of choice will consider all the of your financial circumstances and if you are actually as strapped for cash as you say you are then your daughter will have to pay very little tuition. My family is a middle-class midwestern family grossing about 90,000 in income per year and I had to pay only a fraction of the full tuition at my school. For instance something along the lines of 15k per year as opposed to the full 45 to 50k per year. On the other hand if you actually have a big juicy retirement fund then they are probably going to find a way to get at those funds, but don't rule out an Ivy League school just because you don't think you can foot the 50k a year bc more likely than not you won't have to pay the whole bill. Also, any coach can tell you this same thing and can get you in contact with the financial aid office which will be able to give you an estimate of the tuition you will have to pay if you provide them with certain information related to your income and savings. Talk to the coaches/financial aid. See if its a good fit for your family before you rule it out. Also make your daughter take out some loans if she wants to go to an Ivy. She needs to be willing to sacrifice too if going to an Ivy means that much to her.
It is true. If you are poor, it is easy to go to Harvard. My daughter attended a top 10 school and the demographic missing on campus was upper middle class students. Poor kids get full rides. Very affluent families pay full tuition. Upper middle class families are taxed very heavily, but are still expected to pay full tuition. Most of those families can't afford the tuition, so their kids end up in state schools.
The Ivies are made up the rich and poor - not much in between. It always amuses me when poor people say they can't afford to go to college. Bull. The group that had the least successful, uneducated parents is the very group that is rewarded with full rides. Failure as parents = free college for the kid. Work hard and become successful = 200K tuition bill.
I paid roughly 95% of my own undergraduate through merit scholarships and part-time work and am still paying off my professional graduate degree. I don't feel any less loved by my parents.
Aid at Princeton is need-based and is not a loan but rather a grant. It may not need to be repaid. Don't let the numbers deter you. Princeton is a great place to run and get a top notch education.
Reality check223 wrote:
[quote]Stinky McCheesefart wrote:
If your kid is smart enough to get into Harvard/Yale/Princeton you do what it takes to send her.
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Yes.
Columbia finsihed ahead of Princeton at Heps this year and were runner-ups by two points. They went on to beat Providence at regionals. They have the top freshman runner in the country and have been 1st or 2nd on the Ivy league for the last ten years.
m,m wrote:
Columbia finsihed ahead of Princeton at Heps this year and were runner-ups by two points. They went on to beat Providence at regionals. They have the top freshman runner in the country and have been 1st or 2nd on the Ivy league for the last ten years.
But you better like running in the city and/or commuting to VCP by subway.
3 milion other folks ride the subway and busses of NYC daily it is sensible mass transit. Do you think a one car one kid commute is better for your child ?
Stinky McCheesefart wrote:
But you better like running in the city and/or commuting to VCP by subway.
Columbia quite close to Central Park.
Also, the commute to VCP really isn't that bad. Maybe a 5 minute ride on the 1 train.
Sounds like you're a weakling afraid to stand up to the irrational demands of a teenage girl. Teach her the simple reality:
- If she don't run in college and insists on an ivy league education, she needs to quit the team and GET A JOB.
- The sooner she begins to rely on her brain more than daddy's money, the better off she'll be.
- Ask her how she intends to pay for college. Make it clear that you're willing to help, but the greatest share of responsibility for achieving HER goals rests on HER shoulders.
- Scholarships. There's more than just athletic ones.
- Student loans. If she chooses her major wisely and performs academically, the paltry ~6% interest, often paid by the government, is nothing compared to the yield from the better job prospects for ivy leaguers. You can always help pay these down without accruing a penny of interest while putting HER on the hook financially. Carrot and stick.
It's really sad that a grown man needs to be told such things.
Desperate Distance Dad wrote:
And to those who ask why I am willing to pay for her schooling at all....
I am her father and it is my job to love and support her. Are you honestly saying I should just send her out into the world alone and not help her at all???
Your thoughts seem to be contradictory. You NEED her to get a scholarship, yet you think that it is your god given duty to pay for her school. Why do you NEED her to get a scholarship if it is YOUR JOB to support her?