Yeah, just think about it this way, though. Derrick was better than Bumbi when Derrick was a freshman and Bumbi was a senior. They raced a few times, and Derrick always beat him. Now, after a solid year of pro training, Bumbi nearly made the world final, beat Derrick at USAs, and has a 13:16 PR. I find it hard to believe that Derrick won't jump right back up there with or beyond him once he graduates.
26mi235 wrote:
Some people have a really good PR but do not race well while others have similar PRs but get the job done, and so I would rate the latter type as better than the former, despite similar PRs -- not really a big insight, and not contradicting your comment. More to your point, I think that the 'latter' type (e.g., Solinsky) is more likely to make that big post-college jump. Centro must be a pretty good member of that 'group' where is college PR does not fully represent his potential. [again, in line with your comment]
I see your point. I suppose I'll stop being a snarky sideliner and wade in with my own opinion. I think I'm more optimistic about Derrick's impeding pro career than you seem to be. I think his consistency and his apparent unflappability are going to serve him very well. He's built a habit (as far as I can tell) of dealing effectively with nerves, preparation, and peaking over the last 4+ years. The guy never bonks. His consistency, when you think about it, is staggering. I have a hard time seeing the downside here. And keep in mind, it's not like Derrick's been out there chasing times the last few years and has just gotten stuck at 13:29. He almost never races for time, so to suggest that his PR is indicative of his ability while Solinsky's or Centro's aren't seems a bit unfair to me.
not quite as good wrote:
Yeah, just think about it this way, though. Derrick was better than Bumbi when Derrick was a freshman and Bumbi was a senior. They raced a few times, and Derrick always beat him. Now, after a solid year of pro training, Bumbi nearly made the world final, beat Derrick at USAs, and has a 13:16 PR. I find it hard to believe that Derrick won't jump right back up there with or beyond him once he graduates.
Derrick was actually a sophomore.. but yes, you still make a good point.
Derrick will run under 13:20 this track season.
The only two to have run faster at Gibson are Chelenga and Lalang. That should speak for itself.
Ritz never ran on the Gibson course.
dfasdf wrote:
Only 3 people have broken 28 minutes @ lavergne gibson and derrick is the 3rd behind lawi and sammy. Think about all the american breakthrough in the last 3-4 years and none have them have ran as fast as derrick at lavergne gibson. Ritz, hall, rupp, teg, sol. I think this shows Derrick can ran under 2730 within a year out of college if not next spring.
Also, Ritz ran 27:38 his sophomore year at CU.
He ran 13:22 while at CU as well.
He left before his senior year.
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Foothillbilly wrote:
Also, Ritz ran 27:38 his sophomore year at CU.
He ran 27:38 as a junior, in 2004.
Foothillbilly wrote:
He ran 13:22 while at CU as well.
No he didn't. He graduated with a PR of 13:27.77
Foothillbilly wrote:
He left before his senior year.
Correct.
The fact that he's being compared to Ritz is flattering. He doesn't train at the volume ritz did and he hasn't been exposed to altitude for any length of time. He's more consistent at this point in his career and that is most likely due to the fact that he is much smarter. I'd say his future is very bright.
1) Technically, he was indeed a sophomore for his 27:38 in 2004, as he redshirted his true sophomore year in track due to injury (2003).2) I agree that he did not run 13:22 IN college; I was off by a year. (Ironically, the USATF website says he ran 13:22.77 as a freshman at CU, which we both know isn't correct.)3) You are correct about me being correct.------------------------
chauncey wrote:
Foothillbilly wrote:Also, Ritz ran 27:38 his sophomore year at CU.
He ran 27:38 as a junior, in 2004.
Foothillbilly wrote:
He ran 13:22 while at CU as well.
No he didn't. He graduated with a PR of 13:27.77
Foothillbilly wrote:
He left before his senior year.
Correct.
not quite as good wrote:
Yeah, just think about it this way, though. Derrick was better than Bumbi when Derrick was a freshman and Bumbi was a senior. They raced a few times, and Derrick always beat him. Now, after a solid year of pro training, Bumbi nearly made the world final, beat Derrick at USAs, and has a 13:16 PR. I find it hard to believe that Derrick won't jump right back up there with or beyond him once he graduates.
They raced 3 times while Bumbi was in college. Derrick beat Bumbi at NCAA Cross Nationals in 2008 and 2009, and Bumbi beat Derrick in the NCAA 5K in 2010.
Seems like Derrick is more of the strength runner (good 10K and up future), and Bumbi's got a little more speed for his 5K focus.
Still, Derrick finished 7th at NCAA Cross and ran 13:29 as a freshman. Bumbi ran 13:30 in his 4th year and finished 8th in NCAA Cross in his 5th year. Derrick's a monster talent and should have a great pro career.
Would Chris do best getting into the Schumacher group?
Seems like that group has grown a lot over the past year and a half - Bumbalough, Koll (now Uhl), Lomong, Chelanga, Vaughn have all joined up. With Teg, Solinsky, Bairu, Nelson, Jager, Flanagan already there, that's a lot of people for Schumacher to coach...