Born to be a bum wrote: He had far more speed than me and he hadn't reached his sell by date. All good fun though.
What was your basic speed in your prime? 200 and 400 PR's?
Born to be a bum wrote: He had far more speed than me and he hadn't reached his sell by date. All good fun though.
What was your basic speed in your prime? 200 and 400 PR's?
Nationals Raliegh 79.
Yes, "RooToo" was involved in the "sign in the bed incident."
It was a night of drunken debauchery typical of this low life group of otherwise up-standing citizinry.
I recall a post race party at a club, there was dancing and I believe maybe music.
The GBTC were doing there typical routine with some added twist. The crowd seemed to be enjoying themselves, I don't recall any brawl just maybe a few harmless punches thrown here & there.
I remember a "crew dance" where teams sat on the floor, as if they were in a crew boat, ya know, a scull or what have you. You then scooted across the floor on your ass pretending to row against some other real or imaginary team.
Other dances included the jackhammer, the swim, the eat etc.
I remember asking Molly, Alberto's future wife if she would like to join in the dancing. She looked at Al and he just shook his head, uh, uh.
Guess it would'nt ta been prudent.
On our way back to the hotel your former coach rootoo & I "found" this sign, took it to Squires room which he was sharing with Danny "the saint" Dillon. Weplaced it in his bed.
We then went to our room & placed an early morning wake-up call for Squires even though we were not leaving Raliegh until later in the day.
The next morning Squires came pounding on our door in the early a.m.
We woke up, looked at each other, laughed and went back to sleep.
PS: Regarding your question about the Toads, I don't recall. I know Nenow ran for them but don't recall he ran XC often.
Regarding Connover win in 88, not shocking to me as he had been running well. He raced for the California team in an Ekkiden Relay held in NYC two weeks before the trials. I ran for the Mass team along with rootoo and we finished a close second to them.
Greeings to Liz Baker!! Hope all is well.
PPS: Discovery USA started out like a house a fire and died a rapid death. shame on them!!
Did you ever really feel as if they were going to stick with this ambitious program, other than to get some cheap PR?
Discover yourself.
Great stuff Adrian, glad to see you are alive & happy!!
Cheers, Hodgie
Hodgie-san wrote:
PS: Regarding your question about the Toads, I don't recall. I know Nenow ran for them but don't recall he ran XC often.
I don't think so. The Toads were all but disbanded before Nenow came into the sport. Perhaps you were thinking of "Todds", as in "Todd's Running Room" or something like that?
malmo wrote:
Hodgie-san wrote:PS: Regarding your question about the Toads, I don't recall. I know Nenow ran for them but don't recall he ran XC often.
I don't think so. The Toads were all but disbanded before Nenow came into the sport. Perhaps you were thinking of "Todds", as in "Todd's Running Room" or something like that?
Todd's Road Stumblers.
Ed Mendoza was a Toad, maybe Scott, Koningh?
malmo wrote:
Hodgie-san wrote:PS: Regarding your question about the Toads, I don't recall. I know Nenow ran for them but don't recall he ran XC often.
I don't think so. The Toads were all but disbanded before Nenow came into the sport. Perhaps you were thinking of "Todds", as in "Todd's Running Room" or something like that?
Nenow, even when big time, always sported "Todd's Road" on his singlet. A bar or store or gas station in Kentucky?
Jamul Toads won XC in the mid-to-late 70's with San Diego guys, including Ed Mendoza, Terry Cotten, Thom Hunt, and others I don't know. The club was later resurrected for a SD-area masters team of Steve Scott and others about four years ago.
Ghost of Ashenfelter wrote:
Jamul Toads won XC in the mid-to-late 70's with San Diego guys, including Ed Mendoza, Terry Cotten, Thom Hunt, and others I don't know.
Pfeffer, Harper, Lux, Fleet.
Todds Road Stumblers is a running club in Lexington, KY. Don't know much about them, but the name comes from an actual road by that name in the Lexington vicinity.
regarding pr's
only ever did 1 200m, as a teenager on cinders after about 5 other races, about 25.1secs. Folks said I could do that at the end of a 5km/10km. Not sure if anyone ever really timed it though.
400m pretty much the same story about 53.5.
800m 1.51.2 at Stretford, Manchester. Don't think I could go any faster. Although never really got into a suitable race again to try.
1500m 3.43.6 at San Jose
Mile 4.00.3 San Jose. This still ranks as my biggest ever disappointment. Never doing a sub 4
8km 22.32.1 Palo Alto a packed world class field. Won by Al, also Moorcroft, Hunt, etc....
10 miles 47.55 at Tipton UK AAA Champs 1987, 4th place. This was my last ever decent performance after years in the wilderness. This came after a 60.15 20kms (4th)in Helsinki and a 29.22 10kms in Southend UK. I used to be able to do that in my sleep, soooo big headed, somebody widen the doors :)
Yes, my bad it was Todds Road Stumblers. Got my toads & Todds confused.
malmo wrote:
Ghost of Ashenfelter wrote:Jamul Toads won XC in the mid-to-late 70's with San Diego guys, including Ed Mendoza, Terry Cotten, Thom Hunt, and others I don't know.
Pfeffer, Harper, Lux, Fleet.
Wouldn't it have been 1976 XC Nationals at Belmont Plateau in Philly that Jamul Toads won team title?
MF
Mr Fanelli. 2 things. This thread is 2 years old. Second, It was stated in the thread that the Toads won in Philly, not North Carolina.
Nice to see Scotty G still competing. But he is now an Aggie??
Lux Luther wrote:
Mr Fanelli. 2 things. This thread is 2 years old. Second, It was stated in the thread that the Toads won in Philly, not North Carolina.
Thanks for your enlightening two cents Luther, however, this thread comes back to life as a fuction of being a link from the second post on the current 1981 TAC XC Champs thread and secondly, the only mention that I see of Jamul Toads winning team effort in this thread (unless I'm blind in addition to being old and and feeble and slower than freakin molasses)was the quote that they won in mid-late 70s...and O'neil, I've wondered the same thing about Scott Graham/Ags as I see the name in PA USATF XC results for geezeres er umm I mean seniors.
MF
1. Jamul Toads 45
(Cotton 2, Pfeffer 4, Mendoza 9, Harper 15, Lux 23)*Hunt 77
2. Colorado TC 63
(Rojas 1, Castaneda 7, Gregorio 16, Vigil 21, Flanagan 28)
3. New York AC 79
(Fleming 11, Centrowitz, Squires, Spiers 18-20)
4. Florida TC 159
(Brown 5, Foster 10)
3rd - Jeff Bradley Reading Berks
6th - Finucane E. Tennessee
8th - Bobby Thomas Maccabi
malmo 12th, Hodgie-san 17th
BTw all info from Feb. 77 RW
Liquori 62nd
Galloway 90th (insert snide remark)
malmo and P. Stemmer "dictated" the pace early - malmo survives, Stemmer suffers on hills
Gentleman named Dave Patterson (Shore AC) runs hard 15K, resta a day, runs AAU XC (160th), wins marathon in 2:24:59 the next day.
Lorenzo the Magnificent wrote:
1. Jamul Toads 45
(Cotton 2, Pfeffer 4, Mendoza 9, Harper 15, Lux 23)*Hunt 77
2. Colorado TC 63
(Rojas 1, Castaneda 7, Gregorio 16, Vigil 21, Flanagan 28)
3. New York AC 79
(Fleming 11, Centrowitz, Squires, Spiers 18-20)
4. Florida TC 159
(Brown 5, Foster 10)
3rd - Jeff Bradley Reading Berks
6th - Finucane E. Tennessee
8th - Bobby Thomas Maccabi
malmo 12th, Hodgie-san 17th
From another thread
National AAU Championships Nov. 27, 1976
Belmont Plateau, Fairmont Park Phila., Distance 10,000 Meters.
Cloudy and overcast, Temp. 61 degrees. Course: Fast.
1. Ric Rojas Col. TC 30:23
2. Terry Cotton Jamul Toads 30:26
3. Jeff Bradley Reading Berks 30:27
4. Kirk Pfeffer Jamul Toads 30:33
5. Barry Brown Fla. TC 30:34
6. Mark Finucane E. Tenn. 30:37
7. Ted Castaneda Col. TC 30:38
8. Bobby Thomas Maccabi 30:40
9. Ed Mendoza Jamul Toads 30:41
10. S. Foster Fla. TC 30:41
11. Tom Fleming NYAC 30:43
12. George Malley Nitty VTC A 30:43
13. Bill Lundberg Chicago TC 30:44
14. Ronald Zarate Reno TC 30:47
15. Dave Harper Jamul Toads 30:47
16. John Gregorio Col. TC 30:49
17. Bob Hodge GBTC 30:50
18. Matt Centrowitz NYAC 30:50
19. Pete Squires NYAC 30:51
20. Ron Spiers NYAC 30:51
21. Charlie Vigil Col. TC 30:30:53
22. Herm Atkins Club NW 30:53
23. Tom Lux Jamul Toads 30:55
24. Randy Thomas GBTC 30:59
25. Morgan Fennell NYAC 31:01
26. Chuck Smead Ath. In Action 31:04
27. Don Timm Ath. In Action 31:05
28. Steve Flanagan Col. TC 31:07
29. Benji Durden Atlanta TC 31:07
30. Michael Bordell Col. TC 31:09
31. Byron Dyce Fla. TC 31:10
32. Hamilton Amer Summit AC 31:11
33. Kevin Foley Summit AC 31:11
34. Gary Cohen Athletic Attic NJ 31:13
35. Duane Waltmire Ath. In Action 31:15
36. Paul Stemmer Nitty VTC A 31:16
37. George Reed Seacoast Striders 31:17
38. Don Kardong Club NW 31:17
39. Steve Floto Col. TC 31:18
40. Dwight Kier Nitty VTC A 31:18
41 Ed Leddy Knoxville 31:18
42. Bruce Fisher Chicago TC 31:21
43. David Casillas Chicago TC 31:26
44. Dave Reinhart Athletic Attic NJ 31:27
45. Victor Elk USMC 31:29
46. Anthony Sandoval West Valley TC 31:30
47. Mike Slack Chicago TC 31:31
48. John Sharp Ontario 31:35
49. Steve Mahieu Wash. Running Club 31:36
50. Joel Majors Atlanta TC 31:36
51. Rick Albright Club NW 31:36
52. Scott Graham GBTC 31:36
53. Phil Meyer USMC 31:38
54. Tim Steele Shore AC 31:39
55. Keith Woodward Spur t moment TC 31:40
56. Jim Nuccio West Valley TC 31:42
57. Julio Piazza Phila. Pioneers 31:42
58. Bruce Baden Nitty VTC A 31:42
59. Bob Legge Ontario 31:43
60. Pat Tyson Club NW 31:43
That guy in 60th will never amount to anything.
Lorenzo the Magnificent wrote:
Gentleman named Dave Patterson (Shore AC) runs hard 15K, resta a day, runs AAU XC (160th), wins marathon in 2:24:59 the next day.
Ah yes, Dave Patterson...a Philly area road race stalwart via West Chester State...was the following day's marathon that he won Philadelphia Marathon??(same event/course that a then unheralded dude named "Will" Rodgers won just a couple years later prior to destroying many an international field in both NYC & Boston) or the legendary Jersey Shore Marathon? If I had my old stack of Browning Ross's "Long Distance Log" at my fingetips, I'd obviously not need to inquire.
MF
That guy in 60th will never amount to anything.[/quote]
Or the guy in 46th?