Ryan Hall 1:03:53

Ryan Hill > Ryan Hall

Patrick Makau blew up after going with a scorching pace. Big, big difference between doing that and limping home to a 1:03:51 and never mixing it up and getting 1:03:53.

1. the dude needs a coach

2. he needs to actually listen to said coach

3. the dude needs to race more than 3-4 times a year (5k, 10k, XC whatever)

4. and more than like he needs a psychiatrist

Darnell wrote: Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. That seems to be the case with Ryan. His workouts and training always seem to be the same and now the results are about the same.

He fires his coach and starts training on his own with guidance from God, and you're suggesting he needs MORE changes in his training? "Too much stability" wasn't at the top of my list of Hall's problems these days.

He made his first mistake by not wearing a Rupp mask.

48 wrote:

Based on his past comments, it suggests he may have symptoms of parasympathetic overtraining and is trying to find his way back while training. Salazar probably went through the same thing. Recovery can take weeks or even months if ever. I wish him the best.

What, you think adding 1 to my username makes you better than me?

"Hall ran HM 64:08 in Jan 2010, then ran 2:08.41 in Boston. I'll make judgement after Boston."

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This is an excellent point, let's hope he runs at least a 2:08 again or better yet, a 2:07 at Boston! I think he can do it but he needs some very strong training partners that he can work with, in order to get his speed back! It was easy for him to say that he was, "Using the race as prep for the marathon" after a bad result out there - it's a fallback statement that does not seem quite genuine. "If" he does well at Boston this year, then all the critics, including myself, should shut the firetruck up! We'll see.........

ecin wrote:

From Twitter:

"Rough day...but still looking forward to Boston a month from now...thanks to the great crowd support in NYC today. Always love racing here."

Should be interesting to see his results in Boston.

Of course he has to say that. They are paying him a nice pack of cash - so nice that they had no money for Meb (who of course beat Hall yesterday).

"Good training effort" he says? A month out, and he can't even do 13.1 miles at marathon pace, in race conditions? He's going to get eaten alive out there.

Bombastic Response wrote:

he needs some very strong training partners that he can work with

This statement proves that you know nothing about Ryan or his history in the sport. He has never trained with others. NEVER. This is true of his college days at Stanford and his pro career at Mammoth. Ryan has a difficult time training in a group setting.

Is there going to be a 10K at the Pre meet? That would be news to me. I thought maybe there would be but I didn't think they announced it yet.

The Waterboy wrote:

Maybe running less mileage + running faster workouts than he's ever run before (or so he says) = he's in better track shape than he is marathon shape. Maybe drop Boston, and either do the 10000m at Stanford or at the Pre classic?

I think Ryan's going to be fine at Boston.

Needless to say we'd be more than happy to send him some Biblical energy drinks.

MikeM wrote:

London is like Chicago...super fast. I think Hall will be fine. I think it would be better for his psyche to do some different disciplines (ie XC and Track) knowing his eventual goal is a faster marathon. You don't have to drop these things and solely devote yourself to the marathon (for racing) to run a good marathon. With the marathons/roads so much can be attributed to the weather and course...I think if he at least got out and ran XC, where you simply race, this would help out. But as mentioned...his marathons seem to be fine. His goal is a fast Boston...not a fast NYC half.

I also thing he'd benefit from some track races. So I asked Ryan about that back in November when I saw him at the NYCM expo. I said, "When will you race again? Are you going to go back to the track?" He said, "No, the marathon is my thing."

I can't quite recall, but didn't he dip into some 10,000s after his debut to try to "work on his speed" and get back on the track? If I remember correctly I was hoping for some big performance but it was all pretty flat and he seemed to disappear off the track just as quickly and up into the mountains for the hard long tempo runs that he seemed to like so much.

I would love to see him attempt this again as I agree, the lack of racing seems to be allowing his racing edge to falter a bit. It's hard to call from a distance of course, but really would like to see him bring it around. One thing I agree with, we'll know a lot more after Boston...

I am a big Ryan Hall fan, just like I am a big Alan Webb fan, but clearly something isn't going right IF this was an all out effort (which was debated in his last half marathon). Training through a half is fine, but if this was his best effort and not a tempo run, he is in some trouble right now. Whether it is overtraining or undertraining is tough to say without knowing all of the details about his training and how he is recovering. Whether he gets a coach or remains self-coached, he needs to consult with somebody who can figure out what is wrong and how it can be fixed, because 2007's performances are a world away right now, and unfortunately not getting any closer.

it was a crappy race, no question, but he seems to be terrible at the half marathon distance (except for one great day)

If he biffs it at Boston, then I turn on him with a vengeance.

remember that just last year, he ran the fastest time ever for an american at boston. That was just 11 months ago.

(i think that is right)

long dong silver wrote:

True. No matter what, Hall is very marketable and very fast (despite his performance today).

This kid has run 59:43/2:06:17.

That commands massive respect, for me at least.

But those performances were in 2007/2008. He hasn't really been performing like that for a good couple of years now. Maybe he has it in him to get that kind of form back, but the longer he goes without an impressive performance the more people are going to think that his best days are behind him.

maybe he just isn\'t much of a half marathon runner. he might be pure marathoner. reason for this assumption. he ran 28:10 for 10k at stanford about 3 months after his 59:43. a 28:10 converts more to a 62:00 than a 60:00. The 59:43 may have been one of those rare days for any individual where everything breaks right.

Hall obviously ran pretty bad yesterday, but it was just 11 months ago that he ran a stellar Boston Marathon. Its not like he has "lost it".

Is a 2:06:17 in London really THAT much more impressive then his 2:08:41 in Boston?

I would guess that a 2:08:41 in Boston is probably worth a 2:07:low in London... but maybe I'm mistaken.

If that is the case, though, then to be within a minute of your PR in a marathon isn't quite so awful. Lots of people make out his 2:06:17 as an outlier... but because the variability of terrain makes the roads hard to compare, I personally feel like he had relatively equivalent performances in Boston and maybe even NY (certainly the OT).

Having said all of that, yesterday was AWFUL. I find it hard to believe that he will be able to come close to doubling that in 4 weeks.

If he did that in Jan, sure... but not 4 weeks out from the race.

When he took the lead in London and pushed the pace, and when he dropped the hammer at the OT... THAT fire is what has been missing in his racing. Don't know where it went.

This statement proves that you know nothing about Ryan or his history in the sport. He has never trained with others. NEVER. This is true of his college days at Stanford and his pro career at Mammoth. Ryan has a difficult time training in a group setting.

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What the in the hell are you talking about???? He's worked with plenty of people in the past! -Like Josh Cox and others! F-off $hit head!!!!