I think Chris is just bored, and he knows he can get attention by engaging in a little braggadocio on his Twitter account. On the other hand, I can't tell you how many small town road race winners are "training for the Olympics." Consequently, C.J.'s remarks are not that outrageous, and he is somebody who would draw attention, as others have noted. In addition, he is gifted to the point where he might run under 10.20 if he really trained for it...
Bolt would just embarrass him by dropping one of these:
exactly !!!
I found this online:
100-Meter Time in Seconds
Bob Hayes: 10.05 World Record 1964
Darrell Green: 10.08
Willie Gault: 10.1
Cliff Branch: 10.24
Deion Sanders 10.26
Chris Johnson: 10.38
Bo Jackson: 10.39
Darrius Heyward-Bey: 10.4
Tim Dwight: 10.41
Devin Hester: 10:42
Reggie Bush: 10.42
Rocket Ismail: 10:57
Spearmon:"I probably could play football...he can run track, I could play football."
I'm sure there are a lot of guys in the NFL who could make the US 100m final this year. Maybe a few who could make the World team. I'm not sure if Chris Johnson is one of them though. I'm looking more at DBs and WRs. Still, I don't think a single one of them could take Bolt. Bolt is a freak like the world has never seen.
Librarivore wrote:
Comparing apples vs. oranges is tricky, but we can account for certain factors (differences) that have known quantitative effects.
A few things to keep in mind here:
1) Chris Johnson's 100m times are from high school, and shouldn't be the [unadjusted] gauge for comparison to Bolt (or other T&Fers). I guarantee CJ can run faster now than he did in HS.
2) Within the course of Bolt's 100m races, using the timed 10m splits, Bolt's best time over 40yards was approximately 4.39 (some have suggested 4.37). This is actually similar to the 40y split for Maurice Greene's 60m WR.
Of course, Bolt's strength is in the latter part of the race: 40m to 70m or 80m, where his top end speed pulls away from the others.
3) HAND-TIMED START: CJ's famous 40y time (4.24) at the NFL combine was achieved using electronic timing, but that is only at the finish. The start is still hand-timed, and with the most skilled human timers who are practiced at this, there is a reaction time of approx .10 to .15 after the runner has started. (The timer reacts to the runner, not vice versa as in track.) To equate the NFL 40 to a track time, we'd need to add .10+ here to CJ's 4.24, giving him (generously) a 4.34.
4) REACTION TIME TO GUN: For top 100m sprinters, these range from about .15 to .22, with Bolt's WR sprint having a reaction time of .165. If you had CJ's 40y time in reaction to a starter's gun on the track, add .15+, giving him about 4.39. (again, generously)
Note that these adjustments, correcting for timing procedural differences, have Bolt & CJ at almost the same time for 40 yards.
5) STARTING BLOCKS: Track uses them; the NFL Combine's 40y doesn't. The starting blocks help HUGELY to those who have trained for track to take advantage of them. How much (in seconds) do they assist? I don't have any data on that..... and won't venture a guess. But given that we have CJ & Bolt equal in the 40y with the other adjustments with Bolt using blocks and CJ not, I'd have to presume that if both used blocks, CJ would definitely beat Bolt in the 40 yards.
But as any of us who have watched Bolt run 100m, 150m, 200m knows, many folks are close to (or occasionally ahead of) Bolt at 40 yards. And then... then he is gone.
I'd bet at 50meters, we'd have a very close race. Over 100m, my money is on Bolt, but I do believe CJ is running 9.90 to 9.95 range. And I wouldn't be surprised to see CJ crack <9.90 on the lucky day when his RT is dead on.
And btw: even if CJ has the NFL's fastest 40y time, that may not necessarily mean he's the fastest NFL guy over 100m. I'd bet there are a dozen guys in the NFL who could break <10.0 for 100m, but the bigger money & bigger fame is in football, not track, so they end up going that direction.
I think you need to go back and look at what you have typed.
El terrible` wrote:
Librarivore wrote:Comparing apples vs. oranges is tricky, but we can account for certain factors (differences) that have known quantitative effects.
[snipped here, for brevity]
I think you need to go back and look at what you have typed.
OK. Ah, I think I see it - addition error. Yes?
Short version:
Bolt's 40yd time (w/blocks, w/gun, no hand stopwatch)= 4.39.
CJ's 40yd time =4.24 (3 factors the opposite of Bolt's).
1) Eliminate stopwatch bias (+.10) = 4.34.
2) Add in reaction time to gun (+.15) = 4.49. <-
[is that what you are referring to? I added wrong the first time...
3) Give him starting blocks (-.??) = ??
Actually, both (1) & (2) are possibly generous to CJ. Depending on the stopwatch timer, and his particular gun RT, it might be as much another .10 on top of that, giving him 4.59 (before accounting for starting blocks).
I think the starting blocks might take another .10 to .15 off, still putting him fairly close to Bolt at 40y.
But then losing over the next 60m, exactly as illustrated in the video someone else linked above. Bolt is just too damn fast at the top end. A freak like nothing we've ever seen before.
i think chris johnson is just keeping his name in the news, i doubt he will even enter meets to get his A standard (our sprinters have to get an A standard to have a chance to make our team, the world championship A standard is 10.18.
what johnson has to do if he is serious about racing bolt.
1. qualify for the world and olympic trials.
2. finish top 3 in the trials, and have run 10.18
0r better, and it will have to be better as it will take sub 10:00 minimum to make our team
3. then run in the world champs and get to the final (note he could race bolt before the final if both are in the same heat.
i say he wont try.
also he is probably not even the fastest football player, jeff demps or trindon holliday would probably beat him in the sprints.
Chris Johnson loves to talk. Before this past season he was talking about rushing for 2500 yards. How'd that turn out for ya, Chrissy?
I have no "default defense mechanism to say 'No way could that guy be a world class track athlete.'"
Like I've said before on this board, I used to train with NFL guys who were doing off-season track workouts, and some second-rate NFL-drafted guys who were in limbo during the season. They used my coach, and we all ran together.
Those guys were fast, fast, fast. I told one of them that if he actually cared about sprinting as much as he cared about football, that he could be world class.
But, as you have said, the 40 times are BS.
I would encourage Johnson to find some 60m races in which he can compete indoors next year if he is allowed.
It's fun, he can test himself, he's good over the distance, and it is mercifully short.
Then and only then would we have some sort of definite idea about his ability.
street.legal wrote:
White guys are runnin 9.98 now. whats your point?
You're just another cocky-ass white boy.
Back when I was fast-ish, I ran against a bunch of Scottish footballers.
2 guys in particular kicked my ass--and I was basically a mid-10.7 guy who once ran a much faster time.
They were both pasty white Scottish kids. One guy in particular was unbelievably fast.
I can believe the story.
Throw Adrian Peterson into the discussion as well
Will he be ready for London?
In no way do I hope Chris Johnson tries out for the Olympic team. Why?
1. The guys is as dumb as a box of rocks
2. 'IF' he qualifies for the trials we will have to listen to him on TV because he will be interviewed multiple times b/c of his name
3. Repeat #1
I do hope that this somehow materializes and he just absolutely gets his clock cleaned. The guy runs his mouth for attention and needs to be shut up. Unfortunately, if it does actually get close and someone races him, it will be Brett Farve type reaction on ESPN and I for one dont want to hear about it.
Ted Ginn reportedly ran 10.02, and of course was a 46.something 400 meter runner in high school.
Avante wrote:
Those NFLers at sub 10.30/9.5
Bob Hayes
James Trapp
James Jett
J.D.Hill
Cliff Branch
Ken Thomas
Alvis Whitted
Jacoby Ford
Trindon Holliday
Henry Carr
Isacc Curtis
Mel Gray
Mark Duper
Joe Delaney
Willie Gault
Ron Brown
Michael Haynes
Sam Graddy
Tony Jones
Johnny Jones
Michael Bennett
Darrel Green
Jamaal Charles
Herkie Walls
Phil Epps
Mike Miller
Deion Sanders
Renaldo Nehemiah
Herschel Walker
Anrew Hopkins
Frank Budd
Tommie Smith
Ray Norton
Cyril Pinder
O.J.Simpson
Darin Nelson
Homer Jones
Gerald Tinker
Jimmy Hines
Larry Burton
Curtis Dickey
Michael Bates
Sammie Parker
Anthony Miller
Curtis Conway
Cecil Turner
Pat Johnson
Chris Sanders
Len Willis
John Roderick
Willie McGee
Harold Jackson
Bob Paremore
Rocky Thompson
Butch Wolfolk
...as we can see Chris Johnson is nothing special/unique.
Last years NCAA 100m champ was a sophomore running back from U Florida.
Just saying
soulrunner wrote:
Throw Adrian Peterson into the discussion as well
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-03-15/adrian-peterson-prepping-for-olympics-to-carry-vikingsWill he be ready for London?
adrian peterson has lifetime best's of
100-10.56
100-10.33 win aided
200-21.23 wind aided
he is pretty fast, but i wouldnt plan on seeing him in the 2012 olympics.
rojo wrote:
hjadshk wrote:My brother, a white soccer player, ran 10.49 as a senior in his first year of track, but went on to play D1 soccer. Chris Johnson aint nothin special.
F.A.T.?
That is special. Very special. If your brother did that, then please list his name. I don't understand why he'd need this to be secret information.
Yeah, that would have made him number 16 in the country last year. So about like an 8:58 deuce, keeping in mind that teenage American 100 meter runners are quite a bit better on the world scene than teenage American two milers.
10.50 in high school is bad ass. Would he make the Olympics? It is unlikely, but there are some really fast guys in the NFL. It isn't like they would be starting from nowhere.
note on adrian peterson when i looked him up, it said his team is palestine, i guess if he still has palestinian citizenship he could run in the olympics.
the B standards are 10.25 for 100, 20.70 for 200 and 45.70 for 400.
very difficult, but not impossible for him, making the USA team for him would be close to impossible.