Pat Casey 3:59.76

Reality Bath wrote:

... Not sure about his tactical/kicking ability though.

Not sure what his best 400 is but he anchored the winning mile relay on the same night as that 3:59. Casey has the wheels to kick.

You are even dumber than I thought.

truth or dare wrote:

I didn't say the advantage was found in stepping off the track or even on the inner painted line. The advantage is that a runner can run closer to the painted line without any danger of stepping on a curb.

It's not a huge advantage - worth not more than a little over a second.

You know a sprinter gets dq'd if he starts even one hundredth

of a second early. Should that be ignored too?

... Not sure about his tactical/kicking ability though.[/quote]

Not sure what his best 400 is but he anchored the winning mile relay on the same night as that 3:59. Casey has the wheels to kick.[/quote]

He split a 48.7 to anchor the 4x4 at the end of the

Henry, it is true, his highest mileage in highschool was never above 30. I didn't go to Laurel, but I went to a highschool in Billings, about 15 miles apart. I raced him from 7th grade, and I still race him in college. He upped his mileage the week summer training started for our freshman years. Ridiculous talent, and when he is in a race with actual competition, he races with everything he has to try to win. He led NCAA '10 indoor mile for 4 laps, pushing the pace a little.

Congrats to Pat Casey for that awesome solo mile...wow!!! Great to see a fellow Montanan running so well!! Hope he can stay healthy and do some damage at Nationals, he was 3rd last year and kinda unknown, I think everybody racing the mile this year knows who he is, especially now, that was a helluva statement he threw down, lookout.. there could be a new sheriff in town and his name is Pat Casey...

Hey dorks.......BYU is in Provo not Salt Lake. Agree Padilla could probably take him.

So proud to say I'm from Bozeman

Just goes to show how much coverage or respect our sport gets...I haven't seen any articles or mention of Pat Casey's amazing mile in what would be his local hometown paper(Billings Gazette), this kid made Montana history as the 1st sub 4 mile ran in Montana and zero, zip, nada??!!?? Hell there is even a youtube video they have a link to to put on their sports page??!!??

Altitude wrote:

Here's my 2 cents. If you've never raced or trained at altitude then your opinion is invalid, you have no idea what it's worth.

Look up your stats and find ANYONE in the history of the US who ran a sub 4:00 mile at nearly a mile above sea-level . . . .

I've probably run close to 40,000 miles at altitudes of 6,000 feet or higher, so I should meet your standard for having a "valid" opinion on the subject. And my opinion is that most altitude conversions, including the NCAA's, are just plain goofy, at least insofar as they purport to establish equivalent performances at sea level. Try "converting" the performances of Kip Keino and Jim Ryun at Mexico City in 1968. You'll probably discover that Keino's converted time for 1500 meters is faster than El G's world record. And Ryun's converted time will be pretty darn impressive, too -- MUCH better than a 3:59:++ at 5,000 feet.

So celebrate the performance for what it is. No need for embellishments based on silly assumptions.

For what it's worth, this calculator based on Jack Daniels' data says that his time is worth 3:59.2 at sea level. That might be a little conservative but is only a mile.

Provo is still of lower elevation. The "record" stands.

dukie wrote:

Hey dorks.......BYU is in Provo not Salt Lake. Agree Padilla could probably take him.

Archimedes wrote:

For what it's worth, this calculator based on Jack Daniels' data says that his time is worth 3:59.2 at sea level. That might be a little conservative but it is only a mile.

Here's the link. I don't know how accurate this is.

To: Avacodo's number,

Where did I say anything about altitude conversions? What I said was that the people who discredit this performance are ignorant to the differences of competing at altitude verses sea-level. You can argue conversions all day long, but NO one in the world can run as fast at altitude as they can at sea-level under the same conditions. It is physiologically impossible.

The bottom line is this college kid is training in Montana, goes to class on a Friday, shows up at a freakin' duel meet that night and solos a sub 4:00 mile from the gun at just under a mile high of elevation. That's incredible.

For persepective, half of the "pros" at the New Balance Boston meet didn't even break four minutes this weekend and they had a RABBIT, AT SEA-LEVEL and they get PAID!

Like I said, KEEP ROCKIN' it Pat Casey!

Altitude wrote:

What I said was that the people who discredit this performance are ignorant to the differences of competing at altitude verses sea-level. You can argue conversions all day long, but NO one in the world can run as fast at altitude as they can at sea-level under the same conditions. It is physiologically impossible.

No, that's not what you said. I quoted what you said.

And you're wrong about it being "physiologically impossible" to run as fast at altitude as one can run at sea level. At higher altitudes, air resistance is lower. That's significant not only in the sprints and jumps, but also in middle distances, particularly for faster runners who are well-adapted to higher elevations. In Mexico City, Ralph Doubell -- a sea-level athlete from Australia -- tied the world record for 800 meters, running the fastest time of his career, and Kip Keino ran the fastest 1500 of his career, less than two seconds off Jim Ryun's world record. The optimal altitude for producing fast times can be different for different runners at different distances.

In any event, it was a terrific performance by Casey, and fun to watch.

To the guy who has said he has run 40,000 miles at 6,000ft:

Did you ever run a mile at 6,000 feet one week and then drop down to sea level to the next? I have. Because if you're like most homo-sapiens, the NCAA equivalent is actually fairly accurate. I ran a 4:24 at 6,900ft altitude (which converted to a 4:15 mile) and then ran a 4:15 mile at sea level the next week. It's funny how that works. It was probably pure coincidence that I would run such similar times within such a short period of time and difference in oxygen supply.

JimBean wrote:

To the guy who has said he has run 40,000 miles at 6,000ft:

Did you ever run a mile at 6,000 feet one week and then drop down to sea level to the next? I have. Because if you're like most homo-sapiens, the NCAA equivalent is actually fairly accurate. I ran a 4:24 at 6,900ft altitude (which converted to a 4:15 mile) and then ran a 4:15 mile at sea level the next week. It's funny how that works. It was probably pure coincidence that I would run such similar times within such a short period of time and difference in oxygen supply.

Face it, some people are just not intelligent enough to grasp the difference in racing at altitude compared to sea level or lower elevations. I think because they can't see any difference, they think it doesn't exist, as opposed to something like racing on hills or not, where you can actually see the hills. It is probably pointless to keep arguing with them as they will never be able to grasp the high altitude concept.

There was an article or referemce on LR a few years ago about all altitudes not being the same.

If I recall correctly, it is easier to run at altitude at the equator, than it is farther into either hemisphere.

For example it is harder to run at altitude in Colorado than in Ethiopia, and harder in Montana than Colorado.

J.R. wrote:

There was an article or referemce on LR a few years ago about all altitudes not being the same.

If I recall correctly, it is easier to run at altitude at the equator, than it is farther into either hemisphere.

For example it is harder to run at altitude in Colorado than in Ethiopia, and harder in Montana than Colorado.

That I had never heard of. What is the physiological reason for that?

Sebby wrote:

Face it, some people are just not intelligent enough to grasp the difference in racing at altitude compared to sea level.

Like Percy who thought Clarke was a Sissy in Mexico City even though he ran himself totally into the ground.

Perc was totally into self promotion and NOT a good coach in spite of Herbert - IMHO

Yeah, I've now become a Pat Casey fan. Amazing race.