Didn't Philip Rivers tear his MCL a couple of years back in the AFC title game and still FINISH the game? All while hobbling around the field? I wonder what Phil has to say about his old buddy Cutler.
Didn't Philip Rivers tear his MCL a couple of years back in the AFC title game and still FINISH the game? All while hobbling around the field? I wonder what Phil has to say about his old buddy Cutler.
Brian Wave wrote:
oftenrunning52 wrote:The iconic shot from yesterday and seems to say a lot about Cutler was him sitting with a coat on and Caleb Hanie sitting next to him looking at pictures of the defense. Cutler says nothing to him, doesn't look at him, appears to not even want to help him. A leader would take the kid aside and start talking to him, helping the team out in any way possible. I have no idea if he should have been in the game or not, but once he was physically out of the game he appeared to be out of the game mentally as well.
If this was such a concern to the Bears or Hanie wouldn't you think a guy who's actually paid to analyze the defense from the sidelines....most often referred to as a "coach"....might have been interested enough to give the guy a hand?
Coach can only tell you so much. Cutler was just out there throwing against this defense. His help would have been invaluable for a seldom used QB who is thrust into this position in a championship team. I know when I coach a kid who qualifies for the state meet for the first time I encourage him or her to talk to a teammate who has been there before. That knowledge from a peer is important.
RRRR wrote:
Greggy wrote:Watch Sports Center. Listen to Mike and Mike. LOTS of players are saying he quit. Wilbon didn't print the entire tweeting league.
When your teammates and competitors are questioning your commitment and toughness, you have a problem.
No mas. LMAO.
You mean the players who were watching from their couches at home... the players who were not tough or committed enough to be in a championship game?
Oh yeah, those losers, I'm sure they know exactly what they're talking about.
it looks like we have closure on this issue. only players on the 4 teams that played yesterday have perspective on this issue.
Phillip Rivers played a game and a half with a torn ACL, which is way worse than a torn MCL
Someone on Sportscenter brought up a good point today, the decision was made by the medical staff. Cutler cannot overrule them and Lovie Smith makes decisions based on what they say. If you think back to when Green Bay played the Lions in the regular season and Rogers got his bell rung he looked fine sitting on the sidelines and I'm sure he could have gotten back in and played. But he doesn't have that power, the medical staff makes the decisions. So maybe the medical staff pulled the plug too early, question them. Not the QB.
As for any letsrunner questioning the toughness of an NFL player I just have to laugh.
There's a big difference between a concussion type situation and a physical extremity injury. There is no training staff in the entire NFL that would FORCE a starting QB in the playoffs to sit with a "knee injury." If Cutler pushed the issue, the staff would have undoubtedly relented and allowed him to play.
I agree. He may or may not have been hurt, there may or may not have been other QBs who would have kept playing with whatever Cutler had, but I didn't see any tv shots of him cheering his team, trying to help the other QBs, talking to his teammates. Contrast to Rodgers or Big Ben on the sideline.
This chump quit. What a fvckin pussy. For how much shit he talks to other opposing players during the game you think he would have toughed it out. If that was mcnabb or farve they would've finished. I never respected cutler, now I never will.
haha YO wrote:
Someone on Sportscenter brought up a good point today, the decision was made by the medical staff. Cutler cannot overrule them and Lovie Smith makes decisions based on what they say. If you think back to when Green Bay played the Lions in the regular season and Rogers got his bell rung he looked fine sitting on the sidelines and I'm sure he could have gotten back in and played. But he doesn't have that power, the medical staff makes the decisions. So maybe the medical staff pulled the plug too early, question them. Not the QB.
As for any letsrunner questioning the toughness of an NFL player I just have to laugh.
i don't think that that is correct. cutler never was ruled out by the medical staff. moreover, when medical was evaluating him, where was he pleading his case to go back in? i remember a cowboys game this year where whitten got clobbered, medical wouldn't let him go back in and whitten went ballistic arguing his case to go back in.
breaking news -- it's an mcl SPRAIN. cutler now officially is a pussy.
make that witten.
eb white wrote:
i don't think that that is correct. cutler never was ruled out by the medical staff. moreover, when medical was evaluating him, where was he pleading his case to go back in? i remember a cowboys game this year where whitten got clobbered, medical wouldn't let him go back in and whitten went ballistic arguing his case to go back in.
breaking news -- it's an mcl SPRAIN. cutler now officially is a pussy.
Yes, he was ruled out. Fine, you can make the argument he should have pushed more to get back out there and if he pleads really hard he can probably be put back in. Fine.
But for anyone on letsrun to call him a "pussy" is so f***ing hilarious. He's a QB in the NFL, he's no f***ing pussy. He's taken more physical beatings than you will in your entire life.
you are 100% wrong. from cbs:
Jan. 23, 2011 4:57 p.m. - QB Jay Cutler has a knee injury, and his return is questionable. Bears RapidReports
just to be clear, he NEVER was ruled out by medical. he wound up being ineligible to go back in due to his coach's moronic move to insert hanie in the 3rd quarter, but that had nothing to do with medical ruling him out.
so using your logic, once someone takes a certain level of beatings, he forever cannot act like a pussy no matter how much of a pussy he actually is acting? incredibly profound.
eb white wrote:
i don't think that that is correct. cutler never was ruled out by the medical staff. moreover, when medical was evaluating him, where was he pleading his case to go back in? i remember a cowboys game this year where whitten got clobbered, medical wouldn't let him go back in and whitten went ballistic arguing his case to go back in.
breaking news -- it's an mcl SPRAIN. cutler now officially is a pussy.
Whatever the case, the Redskins are desperately in need of a QB, and I'm sure Shanahan would be willing to barter for his former golden boy in Quitler.
As for the comments about toughness, I always seemed to recall during my track days that it was the big, strong, brawny decathletes who always complained when they had to do their 1500 training. Their "punishment" was what we did on a daily basis. Many sports are all grueling in their own ways.
If anyone watched the Bears play this year and watched Cutler get sacked 50+ times, you know he's not a pussy. He got beat up pretty much every game and always came back for more. Yesterday certainly wasn't his finest hour, but to call him a pussy is pretty ignorant.
As a Bears fan, it is sometimes hard to like Jay Cutler. Yea he's quite often a douchebag, as someone said before he gets hit a lot and gets right back up and into the huddle. Plus he frequently drops his shoulder when he is rushing down the field instead of sliding like a lot of QBs do.
That being said, Deion Sanders said something along the lines of "I never question a player's injury, but I do question his heart." This is probably he best sum up. IDK the extent of the injury yet, but I am going to stand behind Cutler and give him the benefit of the doubt until I have evidence that he does not deserve it.
However, props to Caleb Hanie who stepped up when his team needed him most and almost capped off an improbably comeback. Gotta give him some looks in the offseason to see if he can handle a starting job
eb, my man, your facts are so wrong it's ridiculous.
"Before the half Jay hurt his knee, showed a lot of toughness to continue to play with it. Right before the half, when we threw the pick, the medical staff — we all — made the decision that he couldn’t go." Quote from Lovie Smith
So he was ruled out by the medical and coaching staff, he tore his MCL. Anything else you want to be wrong on today? We get it, you don't like Jay Cutler. No reason to make up stuff and call him a pussy.
excuse me? where does that state that he was ruled OUT? his return was officially ruled QUESTIONABLE. um, yeah, they made a decision right before the half that he "couldn't go." why do you think that collins replaced him at that point in time? was that collins inserting himself into the game? the coaches and medical deciding that he "couldn't go" right before the half is very different than ruling him OUT. he very easily could have been reevaluated by medical and the coaches in the 3rd quarter and be deemed a "go." however, that would have interfered with him riding the bike and standing there so they just let him be.
just to be clear, the mri today revealed a SPRAIN -- not a tear. anything else you would like to make up or, alternatively, anything else you would like explained to you today?
Made the decision he couldn't go is ruling someone out. How the f*** can you think it is anything else? Do you want Lovie to say "We ruled him out of the game because of his injury"? Is that what it will take?
Look up MCL injuries you moron, a sprain and a tear are the same f***ing thing. The ligament was torn. As I said, we await to see the degree but even a 1st degree sprain/tear is something that puts people out for a few weeks.
Here is a link, notice the wording Grade 1 MCL Tear and then Grade 1 sprain fo the MCL. Same thing, of course it will sound better for uninformed morons like yourself to use the language sprain but it means the same thing as tear.
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/kneeinjuries/a/mclinjury_2.htm
If I had to guess, I would say Cutler had a Grade II tear/sprain, fairly serious and definitly not something that should/could be played on in an NFL game.
I love how all these people who have never played a down in a football game at Cutler's level. Everyone is trying to act so tough but the truth is his med staff told him not to play because he has a torn MCL. Sounds like his teammates like him enough to be cussing on the air and supporting him and his toughness. NOBODY knows what went on in the sideline discussions.