Andy Bayer of Indiana 7:48, Hoosiers have 3 under 8

Haas is one of the nicest elites there is, but basically just qualifies for USA's each year (no more/no less)

I find that sort of weird. 7:50 is in Solinsky's, Goucher's, Willis', Ritz's college range. Maybe he is not a sub 13:00 guy... but no reason he should "just be qualifying" for USAs! Is he a professional runner?

I'm not saying that to sound mean... just the opposite. Seems like he could be exceptional. But clearly if he isn't running "professionally" (i.e. works part-time or more) then 13:30 is pretty darn good.

I wonder what guys like Haas could do if he was coached by Jerry and gave 100% to running and only running.

Fabulous running in January; my biggest concern is that I am a Wisconsin fan and thus it is difficult competition. Of course, Indiana has had a tendency, at least in XC, to be very good early and then only good later on.

Conto wrote:

Unless I am mistaken, Bayer is now the 4th fastest American Collegiate? Rupp: 7:44, Goucher: 7:46, Falcon: 7:46, Bayer: 7:48

German Fernandez 7:47.97

Michael Coe 7:48.05

Probably more.

I'm not trying to bring these guys down, but there was an article in the IU newspaper today about Bayer's run. It said that these guys did not take a break after cross country and went straight into track workouts. Is this normal among elite D1 programs? Are these guys going to be able last all the way to May and June without some kind of break?

Article here:

http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=79363

yeah theyre idiots...they did the same thing last year. its JANUARY! learn to peak!

Bayer 3rd at NCAA's indoor in the 3k.

Poore 8th in the 3k and also ran the 5k at NC's indoor.

DMR 7th at NCAA's even after dropping baton with 2 laps to go.

They've got guys who can run with anyone in the country. Not sure what IU has to do to not get ripped on for everything. Its crazy, IU isn't a stanford or a oregon but they have done a pretty good job of getting guys to compete with those elite teams and runners. IU gets a guy to run 7:48 in a 3k and people find a way to hate on that. wow

who knows wrote:

Bayer 3rd at NCAA's indoor in the 3k.

Poore 8th in the 3k and also ran the 5k at NC's indoor.

DMR 7th at NCAA's even after dropping baton with 2 laps to go.

They've got guys who can run with anyone in the country. Not sure what IU has to do to not get ripped on for everything. Its crazy, IU isn't a stanford or a oregon but they have done a pretty good job of getting guys to compete with those elite teams and runners. IU gets a guy to run 7:48 in a 3k and people find a way to hate on that. wow

I'm with this guy ^^. How can people come up with anything negative to say about a redshirt sophomore running 7:48 in his first 3k of the season? People should be even more impressed with Bayer's performance when considering how far he has come in such a short time. I happen to know Andy, and I watched him run throughout high school. As a previous poster noted, Bayer only ran 9:39 as a junior in high school. Then things started taking off for him. Andy's rise to the top echelon of the NCAA has been nothing short of meteoric. He was not a blue chip recruit out of high school as he was just reaching the top level of the state about the time he graduated. And now he's running incredible times like this and people are ripping on him for it. Andy has proven that he has the ability to both run fast times and race well, as evidenced by his 3rd place finish in the NCAA indoor 3k last year (as a redshirt frosh). I think he has done enough to earn the respect of the Letsrun crowd, but I realize that for some of you, nothing he (or any runner) does will ever be enough. To those individuals: you have my pity.

jeeze wrote:

yeah theyre idiots...they did the same thing last year. its JANUARY! learn to peak!

Peaking is bullshit. Let me guess, you're one of those guys who cuts all your workouts in half, barely runs the week of a big race and thinks that will magically make you run a lot faster? Newsflash moron, Bayer wasn't cutting workouts, backing off mileage or doing anything special the week of this race. He just went out and raced hard and ran really fast. The only reason he won't get better the rest of the season is if he doesn't recover well and starts overextending himself, not because he didn't "peak" correctly.

I agree with 'who knows' and 'mrb.'

Two years ago, the much hyped German Fernandez (of whom I am an admitted fan) ran 7:47 with great comp and on an oversized track and this board exploded. Last year he ran 7:48 at the same track after coming off injury, and people were impressed and hopeful.

Now, a kid I have barely heard of, with no hype coming out of HS, goes and runs the same damn time with two team mates right near him and he and IU get ripped?! I don't get this place sometimes.

Haha This is really funny because it is true. You could probably also add:

If you run average in high school, but then run fast in college it doesn't count because you weren't nationally competitive before college.

The guy is a stud and will continue to impress. Lets see how many other teams in the country put 6 guys under 8:06 on a 200m track.

this place is funny. if Bayer puts up this mark two weeks later at ND's Meyo Invite, nobody calls it too early.

some more perspective:

bayer's 7:48 broke haas's IU record of 7:51, which appears to have been set at Meyo in 2005 (http://www.und.com/sports/c-track/stats/020505aaa.html), where haas was second place to nick willis by less than 3 seconds. nick willis ran 7:48 in that race. nick willis won the silver medal at the 2008 olympics. when haas broke the IU school record, he surpassed Bob Kennedy's 7:55, which had stood for 14 years. (http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ind/sports/m-track/auto_pdf/IRecords). In fact it looks like Andrew Poore may have unseated Kennedy in the top 3 with his 7:55.

These things are a big deal, both for these guys and in general. How many guys have looked back at their career and wished they'd gotten onto the track to set some PRs when they were at their strongest? You never know when you're going to get blindsided with an injury in this sport. These guys have a lot to be proud of, and for now it looks like the sky is still the limit.

that said, Bayer's just a sophomore--and his best event is the MILE. could sean jefferson's 3:56 school record be in danger? bayer already ran like 4:01 on a flat tight Purdue track. enjoy watching this guy.

yeahyeh wrote:

Indiana Boys killed it in the 3k at home. Andy Bayer with a super impressive 7:48.

Solid.

Hey, aAccording to ventolin^? Andy should be good for a 8:13 - 8:18 steeple, minus the conversion to outdoor makes...8:0x!

Someone tell Bayer!

7:48 on IAAF tables is equivalent to 8:30 steeple, 13:23 5000m and 28:04 10000m. But this was run on a 200m indoor track with no rabbit (?), so Bayer should be in the mix for an A qualifier in the 5 this year outdoors. terrific performance.

fern/coe wrote:

Conto wrote:

Unless I am mistaken, Bayer is now the 4th fastest American Collegiate? Rupp: 7:44, Goucher: 7:46, Falcon: 7:46, Bayer: 7:48

German Fernandez 7:47.97

Michael Coe 7:48.05

Probably more.

Oversized tracks don't count.

Had Lincoln graduated when he ran 7:38?

So how did that 2005 Big Ten Indoor 5000 work out for Haas? Especially when the quality runners in the field started laying down the law? Oops. And no, he didn't run the 3000 the night before, unlike some others.

1 Matt Tegenkamp Wisconsin 13:56.02 10

2 Chris Solinsky Wisconsin 13:59.91 8

3 Andrew Carlson Minnesota 14:08.82 6

4 Brian Olinger Ohio State 14:15.10 5

5 Simon Bairu Wisconsin 14:17.44 4

6 Jason Bill Illinois 14:21.75 3

7 Antonio Vega Minnesota 14:22.32 2

8 Tim Nelson Wisconsin 14:23.47 1

9 Ryan Malmin Minnesota 14:39.16

10 Andy Marsh Michigan State 14:41.55

11 Trent Hoerr Illinois 14:48.68

12 Nate Egger Michigan State 14:54.21

13 Joel Moceri Penn State 15:03.75

14 Eric Wallor Illinois 15:08.00

15 Andrew Bauer Michigan 15:09.84

16 Matt Bartlebaugh Michigan State 15:21.65

David Rae Purdue University DNF

Stephen Haas Indiana University DNF

Sean Jefferson Indiana University DNF

John Jefferson Indiana University SCR

Nick Willis Michigan SCR

1 Nick Willis Michigan 7:55.94 AUTO 10

2 Matt Tegenkamp Wisconsin 7:56.62 AUTO 8

3 Chris Solinsky Wisconsin 7:56.71 AUTO 6

4 Mike Woods Michigan 8:11.16 5

5 Erik Grumstrup Minnesota 8:11.57 4

6 Kyle Orender Purdue University 8:13.24 3

7 Bobby Lockhart Wisconsin 8:13.52 2

8 Brian Olinger Ohio State 8:14.15 1

9 Chris Foster Penn State 8:17.58

10 Dan Glaz Ohio State 8:19.10

11 Dan Haut University of Iowa 8:19.37

12 Eric MacTaggart University of Iowa 8:19.90

13 Antony Ford Wisconsin 8:21.69

14 Aaron Fisher Ohio State 8:27.69

15 Tom Greenless Michigan 8:33.66

16 Scott Munro Penn State 8:40.21

17 Brian Rae University of Iowa 8:47.95

I've kept a list of performances for the 3000 indoors since 2002 and here is where this one stacks up. Pretty impressive.

1. Cragg 7:38.59

2. Rupp 7:44.69

3. Willis 7:44.90

4. Blincoe 7:47.50

5. McNeill 7:47.52

6. Fernandez 7:47.97

7. Coe 7:48.05

8. Bayer 7:48.35

9. Lomong 7:49.74

10. Miller 7:49.94