I have done long runs/easy runs with rivals from other schools. I have never done and would never do a hard track workout with any of them.
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I have done long runs/easy runs with rivals from other schools. I have never done and would never do a hard track workout with any of them.
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I ran for a really competitive team in college. I was great friends with everyone all the team. But, I also hated them. I kept getting knocked off national slots in the DMR and XC. When they raced and I watched it sure felt like I was racing ... they were my teammates. But, a certain part of me hated the fact that my biggest rivals were my own teammates that I ran with every single day. They saw me when I was good and when I was bad. On race day we all suited up and you showed your hand that day.
In conclusion, I'm really bitter and have contributed nothing to this discussion.
In running no one is your enemy, and everyone is your rival. There is a time to run alone, and a time to share the pain.
If the opportunity comes, train with your rivals -- you have a lot in common, and nothing to lose.
If you must, learn their secrets, then crush them on race day -- or be crushed. Then go have a beer with them (coke for high school kids).
No, Rivals are sh*t spikes. Train in Victories.
;)
I don't see any problem with doing an isolated workout or a few easy runs with a rival, but if they are truly your rival, you would be a fool to show them the entirety of your training, as they would be a fool to disclose their own.
If you have all the tools of a Bekele, you can afford to show all your cards--if you're holding a royal flush, you can afford to brag. Otherwise, keep your tactics and your training close, or that information will be used against you.
So . . . some people like to train with their "rivals," some don't.
Whatever floats your boat!
There are no secrets. If you are a threat, your rivals will know your weaknesses.
common wrote:
I don't see any problem with doing an isolated workout or a few easy runs with a rival, but if they are truly your rival, you would be a fool to show them the entirety of your training, as they would be a fool to disclose their own.
If you have all the tools of a Bekele, you can afford to show all your cards--if you're holding a royal flush, you can afford to brag. Otherwise, keep your tactics and your training close, or that information will be used against you.
Malmo is correct.....I ran from 73 until 93 and made many longtime friends...trained with alot of them...went to their weddings, funerals, etc.....this is a great sport with great people...embrace that you clueless dolt.............
rekrunner wrote:
There are no secrets. If you are a threat, your rivals will know your weaknesses.
This is not true at all. The only way your rivals know your weaknesses is if you show them. And even then, they can be surprisingly poor at picking up the clues. And if you're a smart trainer, what was once a weakness can be the next season's strength. Can't run in heat? Can't run uneven pace? Can't run hills? All can be fixed with the proper training.
You need not show your weaknesses, and if you already have, train to make it a strength and use it as disinformation to your rivals.
Of course it's true. You show your cards everytime you race. You don't show them in training. If you are a threat, people are watching you when you race. If a weakness becomes a strength, this won't be secret for long. There are no secrets. Secrets won't help you win anyway, only talent and training.
common wrote:
This is not true at all. The only way your rivals know your weaknesses is if you show them. And even then, they can be surprisingly poor at picking up the clues. And if you're a smart trainer, what was once a weakness can be the next season's strength. Can't run in heat? Can't run uneven pace? Can't run hills? All can be fixed with the proper training.
You need not show your weaknesses, and if you already have, train to make it a strength and use it as disinformation to your rivals.
malmo wrote:
If it weren't for the friendship and camaraderie, I'd never have taken up the sport. You definitely didn't sign up for the same sport that I did.
AMEN! Thank you for this wonderful reminder.
Alex Mason wrote:
I have done long runs/easy runs with rivals from other schools. I have never done and would never do a hard track workout with any of them.
absolutely agree. its nice to get runs in with other people, and rivals are usually the people your ability level. but if youre at a very high level of competition, keep workouts and important numbers hidden from others. better yet- feed everybody a load of rubbish. "yeah i did 135 miles two weeks ago. pretty common. 8 mile tempo @4:40 pace."
firefly wrote: but if youre at a very high level of competition, keep workouts and important numbers hidden from others. better yet- feed everybody a load of rubbish. "yeah i did 135 miles two weeks ago. pretty common. 8 mile tempo @4:40 pace."
The sad thing is, you don't even understand how pathetic you sound. Good luck with those double-top-secret workouts of yours.