Some of these idea are just arbitrary and nutty. Going over the Triborough Bridge, into Queens? Do you have ANY IDEA how much that would suck?
There's no huge clamor to make massive changes.
Some of these idea are just arbitrary and nutty. Going over the Triborough Bridge, into Queens? Do you have ANY IDEA how much that would suck?
There's no huge clamor to make massive changes.
Haha,
Malmo, you crack me up, man. I know they got rid of the rabbits, and I understand that they didn't add much value. But I still contend that the course isn't as slow as people like to make it out to be. I know you want to credit yourself with a 2:10 or something by saying NY was a harder course and had you run Chicago, you would have had a 3:00 faster pr, but the reality is, its not THAT slow. Its not that fast either, but come on. The course is just fine as it is. I had no problems running through the Bronx and don't think the crowd support was all that bad. When was the last time you were cheering (or running) up north? The fan support has grown exponentially in the last 5 years.
malmo wrote:
Conto wrote:The one thing that people always forget is that the NYC Marathon is a RACE. There are no rabbits. For 99.9% of the entrants, this makes no difference to their time. For the elites, it definitely makes a 1:00-2:00 difference at least. You would see a lot more 2:06 marathons in NY if you had rabbits... so then people would say that it was only 1:00-2:00 slow. A rabbited race wouldn't have a 4:27/14:00 1mile/5k thrown in at 17/17-20 or whatever it was. Nor would it start so slow. Given the explosion in fast marathon times is a recent phenomenon (last 5 years) the NYC Marathon has never had the ridiculously fast guys that are around today run with rabbits.
You want faster times in NY? Employ rabbits. That will solve "the problem" right there.
Conto you ignorant slut.
They got rid of rabbits four years ago because the rabbits never added anything to the race. In NYC the problem was never running fast enough in the first half, but slow enough. The last time that pacers were employed was 2006, and during the technical meeting of coaches and agents beforehand, no one could agree on the pace. Some wanted 1:04 some wanted 1:05, in the end, the entire field ignored the rabbits and hit the halfway mark in 1:05:35.
As far as the course goes, I have no idea why the NYRRC thinks that cutting into Central Park adds to the experience. It would be much better to go right down Fifth avenue to 59th street.
Also, what's wrong with a FOUR borough race? No one the Bronx gives a flying f*** about the marathon, so why run there at all. Cut across 125th street to CPW then back to 5th on 110th, down 5th to 59th and finish somewhere near Columbus Circle.
Whaaaaa? I love the bronx. its only a little out of the way and the little cheering section is great. nice to get cheered in spanish every once in a while
Conto wrote:
I know you want to credit yourself with a 2:10 or something by saying NY was a harder course and had you run Chicago, you would have had a 3:00 faster pr,.
You know that? You're a f***ing idiot.
Please list the landmarks you feel need inclusion it would help us design a course for you.
Here are some to pick from
Well, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black!
Hahahaha. That's great. Conto, you were so stinking wrong and you come back with a lame personal attack. How old are you again?
Malmo, I agree with the uselessness about 5 boroughs, if not the Central Park comment. However, it seems that it is Staten Island which should be excluded here. You never step foot on any road in Staten Island except the toll plaza and to do that you need to waste 3-4 hours of your morning getting to and waiting at the start to then run half of the race in Brooklyn. Ditching SI, opens up a world of possibilities.
I'm not saying the five boroughs is useless. It's a natural way to lay out the marathon. I'm merely saying if there's any part on the marathon course that could/should be altered it's 1) the little loop to the Bronx (18-22 miles is the dead zone, no one in the Bronx cares) and 2) the turn into Central Park at 90th street (the hills in the park come at the wrong time).
I suppose that they could try to mimic the R&R Marathons and place bands every half mile along the course from 18-22. That might draw some neighborhood interest. But let's face it, that is not exactly a neighborhood that wants to get up on a Sunday morning to cheer for a bunch of white yuppies that they'd been cleaning up after the other 364 days of the year.
I supposed making a run down 125th street might pose its own problems. NYC Sanitation department would probably have to put some overtime in on Saturday Night to clean the trash off the street, but maybe that's what they should be doing every weekend anyway.