I am 40 years old!...I AM a Man!
I am 40 years old!...I AM a Man!
firefly wrote:
i agree. calling 80-90 mpw "properly trained" for a high schooler is wrong. doing that much in hs is stupid and unnecessary. too many people ruin their longevity by doing high mileage in hs and even college.
Completely wrong. 17-18 year olds are more or less physically developed and if anything are harder to injure than older runners. Nobody "ruins" their longevity by doing high mileage. Read up on some of the great runners from the 70s; they were all doing high mileage and many of them went on to have long careers.
wait so let's get this straight, the kid ran a 3:00 1200m at the end of a 5km n got passed by 23 people, these kids are unreal, must be at least 24 sub 4 milers this year coming out of this states track meets. should be a awesome spring!
That is ignorant to think that a high school kid is "more or less developed" and that they can handle that type of mileage, growth epiphyseal plates don't fuse until you are 25 yrs old, and until that point there is a significant increased risk of injury from overtraining, not to mention the changes in sex-specific hormones that can affect physiologic development. Some of these injuries include stress fractures, slipped capital epiphysis, hip dysplasias, avascular necrosis, Osgood Schlatter, etc. Athletic progression has to be appropriate for the rate that the child is developing and adapting to their already established training stimulus. To think that nobody "ruins" their longevity by doing high mileage is ignorant and foolish. High mileage can be appropriate when talking about great adult elite runners, but for the developing athlete it can be extremely dangerous.
Hrothgar wrote:
firefly wrote:i agree. calling 80-90 mpw "properly trained" for a high schooler is wrong. doing that much in hs is stupid and unnecessary. too many people ruin their longevity by doing high mileage in hs and even college.
Completely wrong. 17-18 year olds are more or less physically developed and if anything are harder to injure than older runners. Nobody "ruins" their longevity by doing high mileage. Read up on some of the great runners from the 70s; they were all doing high mileage and many of them went on to have long careers.
Best response I've seen about this so far. This crap about too much mileage harkens back to that pathetic period in the late 80s and 90s when everyone was afraid to run over 40mpw. I know plenty of guys who did high volume (100+mpw) regularly in HS in the 70s who are still in remarkable shape. Running 80-90mpw in HS is not overly difficult or stressful by any means. In fact, I would say from a physical standpoint it's the easiest time to run at this level. While a freshman may not need to run 80-90mpw, he could easily be putting in quality 60-70 mile weeks. Enough said.
The Siuslaw team is very young. Scoring runners: 2 Frosh, 2 Sophmores, 1 Junior. Team title next year.
Bullshit. I haven't ever seen any of these injuries, except for stress fractures (I'm not counting OS because it's a joke of an injury equivalent to shin splints), and they're no more common among high mileage guys than anyone else. Do you think elite African runners are running sub-13 at 17-18 off of low mileage?
For the little it's worth, I can tell you I recovered incredibly quickly when I was 17 and doing 70 miles a week. Much quicker than I do now in my 20's.
On the other hand I've seen plenty of serious injuries among guys doing 50-60 mpw because of poor nutrition and too many workouts, especially on the track.
a journalist wrote:
So, the T-shirts should read:
"I run even pace so I don't get flamed on Let's Run."
"I'm going to make it a race to see who has the least guts."
"Slow and steady makes me a mid-packer."
"Pre dies, but I won't, 'cuz I'm hitting the first mile in 5:30."
"I always race so for the rest of my life I can say, 'What if?' "
this is my favorite quote in the history of letsrun.
Cut n Run wrote:
For all the stinking extremist right-wing conservatives who weigh in on this site, I'm surprised no one has pointed out the obvious:
It's not Prefontaine's fault. It's not the coach's fault. It's not Nike's fault. It's not the fault of any quote.
THE KID MADE AN UNFORTUNATE DECISION IN HIS RACING STRATEGY AND HE PAID THE PRICE. HE AND HE ALONE IS ACCOUNTABLE!
exactly- incidentally- I just happened to float to this site and clicked on the link to this thread- 90 percent of the people on here are socially and intellectually retarded. unreal
Running any other way other than mediocre would be "sacrificing the gift"
old3aboy wrote:
So now high school kids have to be running 80-90 miles so that they can finish a 5k??? You are a f***ing idiot if you are being serious.
Agreed. He must be smoking a lot of crack.
lol. Youtube does have all the answers ;)
I didn't see the race, but I wish that I had run like a madman when I was a high school kid. It's brave, awesome, builds confidence, and sometimes it works!
Post-Fontaine wrote:
I watched a kid "Prefontaine" himself into the lead with 1200m to go in the Oregon HS State Championship only to stagger in to the finish 3 minutes later, barely moving forward, with guys streaming by him on both sides. He went from 1st to 24th in the matter of 3 minutes and his team lost by 15. To collapse that badly, that quickly in a 5K he must have already been on empty when he made his move. Had he protected his place he and his team go home with a trophy.
This was only the most dramatic example of kids pulling off ridiculous stunts in trying to win the state meet against all odds. These kids are inundated with Prefontaine quotes about seeing who has the most guts and it inspires them to throw races at the biggest meet of the year.
I don't blame the kids for trying but coaches need to make sure they under the physiological limits of running. The starting line is not an even playing field. Not everyone can win just because really want to.
Let's change the quote on the t-shirts next year.
His team lost the meet, it is not on him, someone else should have scored higher and they would have won, but they didnt have anyone they lost, why not blame it on the 6 runner for not beating this kid?... This kid was running his race... just like everyone else... people like you are the reason why they should do away with the 'team' scores etc at XC Meets, it makes people like you feel entitled to have everybody run the race you want because of your goals, instead of their own race. The kid was true to himself, which means a lot considering the prvcks like you who'll critize him for it.
Does anyone have any beer and popcorn they can email me?
This is entertaining.
Crackadoodledoo wrote:
old3aboy wrote:So now high school kids have to be running 80-90 miles so that they can finish a 5k??? You are a f***ing idiot if you are being serious.
Agreed. He must be smoking a lot of crack.
Bullshit responses - both of you. Maybe HS kids don't need 80-90mpw, but they should be putting in solid 70 mile weeks (if they're serious at all) by their junior/senior year unless they are otherwise very talented - which most HS kids are not.
Off the Grid wrote:
Or maybe they should let kids do this, because it is just HS XC, and children need to learn these lessons - that good intentions are not enough. You need to do the work.
Mike Stahr would go out in 60 in every mile his freshman year of HS, then die. Next year, he made it to 2 laps. Jr year, 3.
His senior year he was unbeatable, in part because he was a touch stubborn sob who knew how to run everybody into the ground.
Mike Stahr <3
old3aboy wrote:
Only on letsrun would grown ass men jump on a 15/16 year old kid.
With that said, I urge you all to come over to Running2win.com. I promise there are at least 10% less pedophiles than there are here :)
BrewPat?
THIS JUST IN:
ATTENTION ALL HIGH SCHOOL RUNNERS!!!!
IF YOU DON'T RUN AT LEAST 70 MILES A WEEK YOU ARE A GIGANTIC PUSSY WHO DOESN'T TAKE YOUR SPORT SERIOUS AT ALL!
BECAUSE OF YOU NON-COMMITMENT TO THE SPORT YOU ARE SUBJECTING YOURSELF TO A DNF EVERY TIME YOU RACE
Redonkulous.