That's why we need term limits at NYRR, at USATF, and for the US Congress.
That's why we need term limits at NYRR, at USATF, and for the US Congress.
Agreed 100% with term limits of 8 years regardless of the leadership role!
Yes, but the limit at USATF / NYRR / BAA / etc. should be 8 years at any Director or higher position, volunteer, staff unpaid, or staff salaried. This stops people from becoming embedded fixtures, cutting down on corruption, perk swapping, Nike bribery, etc.
Someone address this guy's claims. I'm intrigued....
Really...??? wrote:
Mary Wittenburg was so arrogant that she thought that USATF would pay all the expenses over $500,000 for NYC to host the 2012 Olympic Trials. Mary is out of touch with the sport in reality and despite all the atletes on the selection committee, Boulet and Torres stating clearly that the NYC Trials Course and Traditional Courses suck for Championship races (the trials) for the athletes, she proceeded to change her bid and try to buy it anyways! Why, she has never found an event she could not purchase or an athlete she could not pay for in whole or in part!
Mary Wittenburg has never earned a Fu..ing thing in running that she did not pay for, ie, buying Shalane's debut from Chicago and Boston, buying Dathan's debut and his last year of collegiate elegibility (which he will never get back, ask Mark Wetmore at CU), and buying Halie G for his retirement race, which anyone in the sport's marathon(insiders) knew was this NYC marathon! He would have never seriouly ran such a ridiculous course, why, he runs for time and records!
! Mary pays huge fees to Rosa, Hermans, and De Madona's athletes, yet she has a drug free race. WHAT THE F..K EVER! She simply declines to ask athletes from foreign countries competing in her event to be out of competition tested and does no blood test like London. Why do most NYC Marathon winner like Dos Santos run like crap in London after winning NYC?
If Mary wanted to be the CEO of USATF, she would just buy it. She would just give say $1.5 mil to the Road Racing group for the next 5 years and then pressure the USATF board to hire her, again she would just BUY IT! She could pay of Wikens and Hightower and be suprisingly chosen, etc!
To say Mary Wittenburg has done Jack Shit in this sport without buying it, well, again, a HUGE F...ing error! She buys publicity form David Willey, she buys friendships with the Paula Radcliffe's of the world, and she buys her reputation as hands on, how, she pays everyone she knows to come to New York City every single year!
On the topic of USATF, Really? Hightower and Wickens fired Logan to fight for the CEO position in 2 yeasr anyways and USATF's athletes should ban anyone on the 2010 Board Of Directors who fired Logan, cleary without CAUSE from ever being the CEO, then Wickens and Hightower would have to keep the next CEO instead of paying out an additional $1.5 million of funds that could have went to support athletes!
Really...? As kissing on this thread was even most likley pay for with a Continental Mileage ticket from Mary or her Dark Vader - David Monte!
Really...??? wrote:
Mary Wittenburg was so arrogant that she thought that USATF would pay all the expenses over $500,000 for NYC to host the 2012 Olympic Trials. Mary is out of touch with the sport in reality and despite all the atletes on the selection committee, Boulet and Torres stating clearly that the NYC Trials Course and Traditional Courses suck for Championship races (the trials) for the athletes, she proceeded to change her bid and try to buy it anyways! Why, she has never found an event she could not purchase or an athlete she could not pay for in whole or in part!
Mary Wittenburg has never earned a Fu..ing thing in running that she did not pay for, ie, buying Shalane's debut from Chicago and Boston, buying Dathan's debut and his last year of collegiate elegibility (which he will never get back, ask Mark Wetmore at CU), and buying Halie G for his retirement race, which anyone in the sport's marathon(insiders) knew was this NYC marathon! He would have never seriouly ran such a ridiculous course, why, he runs for time and records!
! Mary pays huge fees to Rosa, Hermans, and De Madona's athletes, yet she has a drug free race. WHAT THE F..K EVER! She simply declines to ask athletes from foreign countries competing in her event to be out of competition tested and does no blood test like London. Why do most NYC Marathon winner like Dos Santos run like crap in London after winning NYC?
If Mary wanted to be the CEO of USATF, she would just buy it. She would just give say $1.5 mil to the Road Racing group for the next 5 years and then pressure the USATF board to hire her, again she would just BUY IT! She could pay of Wikens and Hightower and be suprisingly chosen, etc!
To say Mary Wittenburg has done Jack Shit in this sport without buying it, well, again, a HUGE F...ing error! She buys publicity form David Willey, she buys friendships with the Paula Radcliffe's of the world, and she buys her reputation as hands on, how, she pays everyone she knows to come to New York City every single year!
On the topic of USATF, Really? Hightower and Wickens fired Logan to fight for the CEO position in 2 yeasr anyways and USATF's athletes should ban anyone on the 2010 Board Of Directors who fired Logan, cleary without CAUSE from ever being the CEO, then Wickens and Hightower would have to keep the next CEO instead of paying out an additional $1.5 million of funds that could have went to support athletes!
Really...? As kissing on this thread was even most likley pay for with a Continental Mileage ticket from Mary or her Dark Vader - David Monte!
Funny how those associated with her and the NYRR, and those who got big paydays from them, fall over themselves praising her while those outside the loop post a diffrent opinion.
Whether the above is true or not, she sure seems to love being the center of attention.
I'm sure Dave Monti will be on this thread soon, either in name or under another, to defend her virtue.
so...what you are saying is that...Mary is good at business. Please explain why this is a problem. It is her job to put together the best marathon in the world. She has resources to do this. She does it. You blame her for doing her job. Really.You are saying that it would be better if she charmed Flanagan into running the slowest major marathon course in the world? Could happen! Remember to say please and thank you! Get real - she does her job very well and her job is a business. And you are claiming that two athletes complained about the NYC trials course. And you claim Wittenberg offered to change it. This is arrogant how? Sounds like flexibility and being athlete-friendly to me. What would have been your preferred behavior? And if you want to play the drug game - easily reversed. Kwambai runs 2:04/5 in Europe, and can't break 2:11 in NYC. Or he drops out like in 2009. By your logic, that makes Rotterdam and Berlin likely permissive to drug cheats. bottom line, she is effective at her job and you seem to be blaming her for it.
Really...??? wrote:
Mary Wittenburg was so arrogant that she thought that USATF would pay all the expenses over $500,000 for NYC to host the 2012 Olympic Trials. Mary is out of touch with the sport in reality and despite all the atletes on the selection committee, Boulet and Torres stating clearly that the NYC Trials Course and Traditional Courses suck for Championship races (the trials) for the athletes, she proceeded to change her bid and try to buy it anyways! Why, she has never found an event she could not purchase or an athlete she could not pay for in whole or in part!
Mary Wittenburg has never earned a Fu..ing thing in running that she did not pay for, ie, buying Shalane's debut from Chicago and Boston, buying Dathan's debut and his last year of collegiate elegibility (which he will never get back, ask Mark Wetmore at CU), and buying Halie G for his retirement race, which anyone in the sport's marathon(insiders) knew was this NYC marathon! He would have never seriouly ran such a ridiculous course, why, he runs for time and records!
! Mary pays huge fees to Rosa, Hermans, and De Madona's athletes, yet she has a drug free race. WHAT THE F..K EVER! She simply declines to ask athletes from foreign countries competing in her event to be out of competition tested and does no blood test like London. Why do most NYC Marathon winner like Dos Santos run like crap in London after winning NYC?
If Mary wanted to be the CEO of USATF, she would just buy it. She would just give say $1.5 mil to the Road Racing group for the next 5 years and then pressure the USATF board to hire her, again she would just BUY IT! She could pay of Wikens and Hightower and be suprisingly chosen, etc!
To say Mary Wittenburg has done Jack Shit in this sport without buying it, well, again, a HUGE F...ing error! She buys publicity form David Willey, she buys friendships with the Paula Radcliffe's of the world, and she buys her reputation as hands on, how, she pays everyone she knows to come to New York City every single year!
On the topic of USATF, Really? Hightower and Wickens fired Logan to fight for the CEO position in 2 yeasr anyways and USATF's athletes should ban anyone on the 2010 Board Of Directors who fired Logan, cleary without CAUSE from ever being the CEO, then Wickens and Hightower would have to keep the next CEO instead of paying out an additional $1.5 million of funds that could have went to support athletes!
Really...? As kissing on this thread was even most likley pay for with a Continental Mileage ticket from Mary or her Dark Vader - David Monte!
Uh, I don' think we need the guy quoted again.
Just say 'really' and save bandwith.
Thank you,
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Very true; then we wouldn't have to re-read his misspellings of Wittenberg, Hermens, Haile, DeMadonna, Monti, and every other third word ("cleary"? "likley"?)--or try to read through the bizarre capitalizations and failures to punctuate. Can anyone whose mind works this poorly be respected in the most rudimentary of ways? Why bother wondering--those of us with the slightest experience at the NYCM know how many top runners have failed drug tests there, and that Gomes dos Santos ran his PB in London, and that most of the rest of Mr. Jack Shit's hysterical screed is to be similarly dismissed.
Traditionnel Cource Ekspert wrote:
those of us with the slightest experience at the NYCM know how many top runners have failed drug tests there
wait a second...
huh?
So someone is discounting Wittenberg's achievements because she BOUGHT all these people?
What do you think a CEO of an outfit like her is supposed to do? Don't you think part of the reason she has her job is her ability to get sponsors and enrich the nYRR's coffers? And now she's being criticized for that?
Mary opened Monday morning's press conference by thanking and giving credit to the staff, singling out at least ten people in the room by name.
I don't understand this obsession on having more finishers than any other marathon. There's no option but to slow to a walk at times, especially at water stations.
Lifetime Term Limits wrote:
Yes, but the limit at USATF / NYRR / BAA / etc. should be 8 years ...
USATF\The baby is dead anyway/ start fresh.
Nothing can help except a clean sweep, yeah a couple of good people would get swept along with the bad but the mold and cobwebs are too firmly attached. Less than a total top to bottom housekeeping using toxic cleaning fluid and rebuilding the entire foundation of the organization would only result in mold and cobwebs taking over the new structure. Start from scratch.
Las Vegas has it right, they just implode the building, invite everyone to the party, then build a bigger and better hotel.
BAA,NYRR and the like are labors of love. Do you think there would have been a NYCMarathon 1979 if they kicked the schmatta cutter to the curb after 8 years? Same for BAA, RRCofA
I vote malmo to do the demo what a fun party it would be.
We don't want the same bozos making a lifelong career out of sponging off of our dues and entry fees. Rotating the top people with new blood every two terms would ensure that the existing riff-raff at NYRR, USATF, BAA, etc. are squashed. That was we don't see the same perk exchanging going on at every marathon, 10K, and 5K. We note it every time we see a USATF big shot with a ceremonial job at Boston, a NYRR bigshot with a do nothing job at PF Changs, ad infinitum. We see it and everyone talks about it. Same at USA Outdoors, OTs when we see big shots with do nothing ceremonial jobs. They get the free hotel bed and rental car. After two terms of this gravy train you should go back to your high cash-paying gig in the private sector.
Picayune wrote:
Demotion? USATF may be a clusterfuck of petty, infighting volunteers but being at the top of the organization responsible for choosing the entire Olympic team is a lot more important than the head of some road running club that puts on a big marathon annually. Sorry, but as nice of an idea as Marathon Majors is, it's still a sideshow, at best.
USATF is the f***ing sideshow. A bunch of complete f***ups who are the laughingstock of international athletics bodies, representing the nation that is the laughingstock of international distance running.
USATF is a joke. Marathon majors is where the big money is. Good for Mary for staying away from the dipshits at USATF.
I appreciate Mary's tenure at NYRR, but there should be term limits at NYRR to put an end to the graft and favoritism between federation executives that plague our sport. There's too much of it. We constantly see the same gang of old timers at every marathon and national T&F meet. It's time that others are given a shot at the top, then they of course should move on as well after their 6 year term is up.
I'm just glad to see the Hansons refuse to play ball with that dirty bunch.
The NYRR is not a government body or anything elected by the public. I'm not sure how "term limits" apply in the private sector.
USATF is a non-profit that has term limits for certain posts, but not the Board of Directors who act like a bunch of Zionists.