Don't get so caught up on the 27 seconds. In a matter of weeks that number could be 43 seconds.
Don't get so caught up on the 27 seconds. In a matter of weeks that number could be 43 seconds.
Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:
Wejo - the "guy" who started this thread is not a troll. Instead, I noticed his noticeable lack of improvement from his 13:37 as prepster to his 13:10 or so as a pro. He is highly talented but come on - 27 seconds in like 7 years with some of those as a professional? Seriously, some many a 27-second improvement in one year. Rupp has supreme talent but just has not improved as much as perhaps he should have. I resent being called a troll - thought a legitimate question.
1):27 is a lot of time for a 13:3X runner. That's like cutting a minute for a 15:30 guy.
2) Rupp ran 13:37 in a race in europe, not during an ncaa career. Rupp ran 13:10 in his first european 5K in 5 years, as a season opener. And yes when you take a couple months off from racing and go into base training mode you have basically started a new season when you come back to race again.
3) I'm sure you've seen the video by now from yesterday, so you well know he is about to blast his 13:10 opener by at least 12 seconds. He could have carried a fridge down the the homestretch and snuck under 13:00 considering where he was at and how he looked at 4K.
4) For most of his time in the NCAA (what he was doing for most of the years you are speaking of) he focussed on the 10K. He went from 29:09 in 2004 (same year as his 13:37) to 28:15 in 2005 to 27:33 in 2007 (the next time he time trialed it) to 27:10 in 2010 (the next time he time trialed it. So in three attempts to run a fast 10K he dropped his time from 29:09 to 27:10. Dropped two minutes off 29:09. He dropped nearly a minute, then nearly 45 seconds, then 23 seconds. That is MASSIVE.
5) You need a dictionary to understand the meaning of progression vs plateau.
6) 2004 to 2010 is 6 years and you're argument is going to look even more ridiculous over the next few weeks.
7) He went from finishing 9th at a junior world championship to 8th at the OLYMPICS and 5th at senior indoor worlds.
dictionary 4 sale wrote:
3) I'm sure you've seen the video by now from yesterday, so you well know he is about to blast his 13:10 opener by at least 12 seconds. He could have carried a fridge down the the homestretch and snuck under 13:00 considering where he was at and how he looked at 4K.
Very true. He passed 3800m in 9:53. Straight 62s without a kick would have brought him under 13:00.
Please - no more "what he is capable of" or "what he can run now" - the truth is in the pudding ...
Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:
Please - no more "what he is capable of" or "what he can run now" - the truth is in the pudding ...
Dude you just got schooled on all accounts and now you resort to this and have a coming out party as a troll?
2/10. Done. At least you are, the discussion about Rupps insane progression can continue.
This whole "Africans have the necessity to win" because many are poor is way overblown and is just another excuse. Being a rich country hasn't stopped Germany from winning world cups in soccer or the US dream team from dominating in hoops.
I agree with a lot of Toby Tanser's points about African runners, but the hunger for being a champion can come from a rich person. If not how can you explain Geb still dominating marathons even though he is already practically the richest man in Ethiopia? The dude could just be chillin' on a beach somewhere, instead he's putting in 20 miles before most runners half his age have gotten out of bed.
If the bigotry of low expectations affects anyone, it is their own damn fault. A very bad excuse for losing, and it can be broken. Read up on how Ingrid Kristiansen eventually beat Grete Waitz.
Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:
Please - no more "what he is capable of" or "what he can run now" - the truth is in the pudding ...
Right because last summer people were saying that he be attacking 13:00 and 27:00 this summer (despite PRs of 13:18i and 27:33) and clearly he hasn't done anything to substantiate those claims. Clearly it's impossible to know what someone is ready before, before it goes down in the record books. Just ask Wheating and the meet directors this summer about that.
I am getting my nails done at the Waldorf Astoria Orlando - most posts here are nonsense - please let me know when something noteworthy is said - should I get my fingers painted red or pink? I am not really a pink guy
Fatty R. Belt Buckle wrote:
I am getting my nails done at the Waldorf Astoria Orlando - most posts here are nonsense - please let me know when something noteworthy is said - should I get my fingers painted red or pink? I am not really a pink guy
Score change:
-2/10. Done.
Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:
Please - no more "what he is capable of" or "what he can run now" - the truth is in the pudding ...
"The truth is in the pudding" HAHA good one.
cheese stalker wrote:
Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:Please - no more "what he is capable of" or "what he can run now" - the truth is in the pudding ...
"The truth is in the pudding" HAHA good one.
I hereby award you most awkward use of that phrase, ever.
4200?!That's just great...if the race ends at 4200! Btw anyone see Burka drop out when she went down hard at the WC 1500 last year. Yeah, that's what I thought. Burka=champion. Rupp=needs to get the heart of a warrior.
optional wrote:
I think this was a breakthrough race.
Mixing it for 4200m.
Keep hanging with Solinsky, smart thinking.
London still 2 years away.
I'm still seeing progress if some dickwads here aren't.
Think bigger picture, if you can.
2:42 miler wrote:
Rupp=needs to get the heart of a champion.
THIS
Sagarin wrote:
Rupp is probably capable of a sub-26:55 10,000 right now.
Why on earth would you just state that he is capable of that, as if it is some kind of obvious fact that doesn't require explanation?
He ran a 10,000 under ideal conditions at Stanford and couldn't do it, so why would he suddenly have the capability now?
Careful observer wrote:
Rupp is good and he will improve but to me he's not mentally tough enough to win a major 5k elite race or championship style race...
The One Who is Confused wrote:
How do you infer this?
Because he was on course to a huge PR at a huge race on the world stage, fell, and didn't get back up.
A guy who wanted it a bit more would have finished? Would it have cost him four seconds? Sure. He'd still have a PR, updating his stagnant 5,000 performances.
It's called wanting it.
Those who say that Mr. Galen Rupp has peaked for life are either lazy or jealous of his speed and talents.
The question is not IF he can break 13, but WHEN. He will do it this year or next.
He had a really tough bit of bad luck in Stockholm, and was in the "wrong place at the wrong time" but he'll get it.
Still I think he is fkn crazy to do an interval workout right after the race.
Jason
He will break 13 and he will improve to doubt that is insane. However Solinsky lifetime PR will remain > Rupp lifetime PR
Sad Sack wrote:
He will break 13 and he will improve to doubt that is insane. However Solinsky lifetime PR will remain > Rupp lifetime PR
Perhaps, but the numbers certainly don't agree. Rupp has pretty much been ahead every step of the way up to this point respective to age, and he may end this season within a few seconds plus or minus of Solinsky. Being that this is his first Euro circuit as a pro it would be betting hard against the odds that he doesn't have some great years of improvement coming up with more opportunities in Europe. None of Teg, Solinsky, Lagat, BK or Ritz ran near their lifetime bests their fist circuit in Europe. In reality it has come after 3 or more season of opportunity.
When he was in HS, the ARs were 12:58 and 27:13. He is as good or better than both right now.
After his 27:33 in 2007, his career plan was to improve 10sec/yr and contend for a world medal. By all accounts it looks like he's close to on track. When he's in sub 26:50 shape in 2012, he will be a medal contender.
He was still 23 when he ran 27:10, and had he run Chelenga's race, he could have done 27:06ish that night.
Cmon wrote:
Rupp is so far from his physical peak it is crazy to suggest he has plateaued. If he stays healthy, he will improve. Maybe not to 26:40, but how many people have? Cmon.
I'm not trying to be a d%#k here, but just exactly HOW do you know he is "so far from his physical peak"? While you may truly believe this, there is no way you can know for sure. It could be that the original troll is correct about this. At any rate it would be great to see him continue to improve, but we will have to wait and see...