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Fork · 2010-08-06T15:05:08-04:00

He has put together the greatest season time wise by an American ever. What do we know about the giants training?

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15 years ago 08/09/2010 9:09pm EDT

re: shrinking violet

Throughout the 25 plus years I have been training, I believe a mistake I made was becomeing overly focused on doing what I thought was good for me rather than what was good for me. I was putting focus on method rather than on just how I was feeling, how I was performing and how I was responding to the training. It's difficult sometimes to judge when it's too much or too fast, not enough or just too slow. I think everyone grows to learn what realy works for himself and goes with it. If one is smart, sensitive to his own feedback one will evolve so as to optimize the training. Solinsky must be sensitive to what works for him, and I'm sure he is inspired by the training of other athletes, but I can imagine he would only adapt them if it was congruent with his needs.

15 years ago 08/09/2010 10:12pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
runn wrote:
Thanks. I have to admit, I lost a little respect for a childhood hero with that "stupid" remark. You know, we loved what we did back then. We were "local class" runners and loved running together and hanging out. None of us were stupid. We all have advanced degrees and are professionals earning a good living.
Sorry Malmo, I still admire you as a runner and I love the advice you give here- I use it with the kids I coach. I even like what you said about easy being a feeling and not a number on a watch. But, stupid?
Yes, stupid.
Let me repeat myself again, this time in caps:
"HAMMERING EVERY DAY IS STUPID. I'VE SEEN IDIOTS DO IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN."
Perhaps you didn't understand back then, but if you haven't gotten the message by now then, yes, you are/were STUPID, and, yes, you are/were an IDIOT.
Over the years I've seen many idiots try to force it by hammering themselves into the ground. Most times its those who are on the cusp and are trying to hang with better runners under the misguided assumption that they will become better that way. Ultimately the only thing that they accomplish is that they workout better for awhile. They race like shit, then soon they start training like shit. The purpose of training isn't to prepare to train, it's to prepare to race.
Training can, and SHOULD BE, very difficult at times. Chronic training at 95% won't allow you to get those occasional 99.5% efforts needed to exploit your own potential. A runner needs to train at his own level to improve, not someone elses.
A few years ago I was having a drink with a masters distance runner. Back in the day, he was a good solid runner at Oregon -- not even a conference scorer, but a 4:00 miler nonetheless. Without any prompting from my part he said to me, "... twenty years ago you used to tell me the same shit that you're telling me now and I didn't listen. I didn't get it. Now it's as clear as daylight to me. I get it now." I took that as a compliment. I don't think I ever was his "childhood hero" nor do I want to be one.
If you loved what you did back then (hammering), and are offended that I would call it stupid today, then I don't see how you could possibly have the psychological makeup needed to be a coach.

I want to restate this, because while Malmo many times makes valuable contributions and I believe has many good insights into training, sometimes he is a prick.

Hammering every day is stupid. Hammering every day and thinking it's going to make you faster is idiotic.

That does not make you stupid, or an idiot. It means you trained like a stupid idiot, and there is a difference. Lots of very intelligent people make stupid mistakes all the time. Look at the CEO of HP. The guy had turned the company around and gets fired over $20,000 of bad info in his expense report (along with sexual harassment charges) when he is making millions of dollars a year. That is a smart person doing a stupid thing.

Now, I don't know you, you might be stupid (though I doubt it), but what I do know is that I'd rather talk to a stupid person than a prick.

15 years ago 08/10/2010 7:04am EDT

re: eojtlc

eojtlc wrote:
Look at the CEO of HP. The guy had turned the company around and gets fired over $20,000 of bad info in his expense report (along with sexual harassment charges) when he is making millions of dollars a year. That is a smart person doing a stupid thing.

Actually, your description is that of a smart person doing a dishonest thing. Smart and dishonest creates a dangerous person.

15 years ago 08/10/2010 8:12am EDT

re: not kilgore

not kilgore wrote:
eojtlc wrote:
Look at the CEO of HP. The guy had turned the company around and gets fired over $20,000 of bad info in his expense report (along with sexual harassment charges) when he is making millions of dollars a year. That is a smart person doing a stupid thing.
Actually, your description is that of a smart person doing a dishonest thing. Smart and dishonest creates a dangerous person.

I'll give you dishonest. I was saying stupid because in my mind it was stupid to risk everything he had there over a (relatively) tiny amount of money. Agree? or no?

15 years ago 08/10/2010 12:49pm EDT

re: eojtlc

Malmo, what are your PR'S?

To be able to end steady runs at sub 5 min pace you must be a 13:30 5k, 28:00 10k.

If your not then I would say your talking sh*t.

15 years ago 08/10/2010 1:01pm EDT

re: bull

Are you stupid or something? Dude averaged what, 4:43 a mile for a half marathon? Safe to say he could probably hit a 5 min mile or two at the end of a run.

15 years ago 08/10/2010 1:12pm EDT

re: bull

bull wrote:
Malmo, what are your PR'S?
To be able to end steady runs at sub 5 min pace you must be a 13:30 5k, 28:00 10k.
If your not then I would say your talking sh*t.

Malmo, was the american record holder in the steeple. I hope that is fast enough for you.

15 years ago 08/11/2010 7:54pm EDT

re: big...talent

prevous AR in the half marathon as well. 1:01:43.

15 years ago 08/11/2010 8:04pm EDT

re: Fork

The runner who may or may not be good as Rupp at the same age does 3 things. 1. High mileage (relatively) 2. A lot of quality, high intensity threshold training. 3. Doesn't get injured.

15 years ago 08/11/2010 9:20pm EDT

re: davinci

davinci wrote:
prevous AR in the half marathon as well. 1:01:43.

In that race he finished second, and both he and the winner went under the previous world record.

And this wasn't the 50's or something when world class running was still in its infancy, this was 1982.

15 years ago 08/11/2010 9:30pm EDT

re: being honest

Henry Marsh was USA's top steeplechaser during the 1980s, and attended Brigham Young University.

He won the national 3,000-meter steeplechase championship ten years in a row, from 1978 through 1987.

Marsh's mark of 8:09.17, established in 1985, was an American record until broken by Daniel Lincoln on August 11, 2006.

15 years ago 08/12/2010 7:24am EDT

re: Henry Dinwoodey Marsh

That's great, but malmo is not Henry Marsh.

Let's get back to talking about Solinsky.

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