moron
listen, you are an intellectual midget
now f*** & don't waste my time
moron
listen, you are an intellectual midget
now f*** & don't waste my time
Ventolin, you lie and lie and lie...Did you even watch the race? Rudisha was drafting from about 400 to 500 meters, and he still got marginal drafting benefit in the first 400. You have never been in the arena as a competitor. Rudisha benefited GREATLY from having those two rabbits, even if they were a bit ahead, due to Rudisha's perhaps wise choice...IF you had even been a competitor, you'd have known the benefit of following, not simply due to a physics formula.
I've maintained for years on this site that the 800 WR is by far the "softest" (most breakable) distance record on the track from 800 to 10000.
what drafting effect are you getting from 6m behind ???
learn some physics - you get the effect closer you are & that means 2m or better
why the hell do you think no man has ever run faster than 3'30 solo when wr is 3'26.0 ???
why the hell do you think hicham never tried to blow a field away in a major from gun-to-tape ???
it's because he wouda run no quicker than 3'29 & wouda destroyed by bernie or noah who wouda drafted off him
not been a competitor ???
what the f*** do you know about what my competitive career was ???
ventolin^3 wrote:
what the f*** do you know about what my competitive career was ???
It's obvious your broke dick never competed with the best, or you'd be cognizant of the enormous benefits of following somebody, even if a couple meters behind ideal drafting positioning. Go back to school, and in the meantime, I recommend self-flagellation as penance...
moron
you offer nothing
MAPIV wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:what the f*** do you know about what my competitive career was ???
It's obvious your broke dick never competed with the best, or you'd be cognizant of the enormous benefits of following somebody, even if a couple meters behind ideal drafting positioning. Go back to school, and in the meantime, I recommend self-flagellation as penance...
moron
I was 3 time Olympian in 800 and 1500 so f$*(@ you imbecile
I am f$(# tired of debating with you no iq d#(*# f#$('s, I'm through
Plugging Rudisha's splits in Juco I believe he will run 1:38.64 best case and 1:40.31 worst case this year.
troll
As a matter of fact, for those of us who have competed amongst the best in the world, we KNOW that to run our absolute best, drafting is efficacious, but following at a slight gap may help tremendously as we keep our legs and feet out of the possibly deleterious repercussions of congestion and this allows us to focus on running FAST, as opposed to occasionally stutter stepping due to an erratic rabbit we follow too closely. IF you'd had this experience, I wouldn't have to serve as your teacher...
an elite runner shoud be co-ordinated/smart enough not to run into his wabbit
try again kid...
'I was 3 time Olympian in 800 and 1500 so f$*(@ you imbecile'
If that was the case why don't you put up your name? Before you ask I will if you do, but I've noticed all the elites don't hide like the rest of us.
BTW he could go sub 1:42 but 1:38.64. Want to place a bet?
wabbit is not a word, its spelled rabbit
As with any thread involving Ventolin, this one degrades into a petty argument.
Don't you all realize he gets off on that? Just ignore him.
ventolin^3 wrote:
what drafting effect are you getting from 6m behind ???
learn some physics - you get the effect closer you are & that means 2m or better
Most runners' stride is about 2m, so he'd have to be right up his arse to be less than 2m behind. That's asking for trouble if the rabbit even slows marginally.
At no point was Rudisha 6m behind the pacemaker infront of him. At the bell the 1st rabbit went through in 49.14, with the 2nd in about 49.3 and Rudisha in about 49.7. There's no one in the world who can cover 6m in 0.4!
Rudisha was no more than 3m behind the 2nd rabbit at the bell, and that gap closed to 2m (very close, as you like it!) from the bell to about 520m. He benefitted more than others from drafting.
ventolin^3 wrote:
why the hell do you think no man has ever run faster than 3'30 solo when wr is 3'26.0 ???
Well that's wrong for a start. Ramzi front ran a 3:29.14 in 2006, going through 400m in 52.5 and 800 in 1:49.2. The rabbits were way in front of him before the end of the first lap. Yes, he drafted Kipchirchir-Komen (who doesn't seem to be able to break 3:31 after 2006, even with even pace!) to a 3:29.02 win, but he basically solo ran a sub 3:30.
Now I put that down to EPO use, but I seem to remember you were quite magnanimous in a recent thread that Ramzi only got caught taking CERA in 08 because it was new and that he'd never been tested positive for EPO before that, because the test was so reliable!? Or is that not the case?
A solo 3:29 with those sort of uneven splits would be worth 3:24 had he had drafting and been paced economically. He should have ruptured EL G's WR that night, so again, you are wrong.
Oh.
grand slam wrote:
Most runners' stride is about 2m, so he'd have to be right up his arse to be less than 2m behind. That's asking for trouble if the rabbit even slows marginally
learn to think before you post
2m stride = 1 m step in front of torso + 1m step behind torso, meaning 2m behind is close as you can get between 2 without interference
At no point was Rudisha 6m behind the pacemaker infront of him. At the bell the 1st rabbit went through in 49.14, with the 2nd in about 49.3 and Rudisha in about 49.7. There's no one in the world who can cover 6m in 0.4!
the 49.7 isn't official, it's just your estimate, which is off course little use
taking measurements from still-frame at the bell & assuming wabbit is ~ 1.75m high, the gap is ~ 5m
Rudisha was no more than 3m behind the 2nd rabbit at the bell, and that gap closed to 2m (very close, as you like it!) from the bell to about 520m. He benefitted more than others from drafting
it closed to 2m for the brief few metres rudy caught up with him by which time wabbit was in lane 2, offering no drafting - you have to be directly behind
he benefited nothing from drafting
Well that's wrong for a start. Ramzi front ran a 3:29.14 in 2006, going through 400m in 52.5 and 800 in 1:49.2. The rabbits were way in front of him before the end of the first lap
no
i saw that race on satellite
he folowed wabbits closely in that race, they just went too fast
the rest of your verbiage is therefore nullified
Now I put that down to EPO use, but I seem to remember you were quite magnanimous in a recent thread that Ramzi only got caught taking CERA in 08 because it was new and that he'd never been tested positive for EPO before that, because the test was so reliable!? Or is that not the case?
learn to read
i said he was likely taking some form of booster from '06 onwards - before '06 winning 2 golds in 2 slow, poor tactical races & having improved to 3'30 by early 20s is no definitive sign of drug use - plenty of guys had run faster than him at earlier ages - he ran ran 3'30.25 aged 23y 11m - nearly 10 guys have run faster than that, younger than that - no one is suggesting you need drugs to run 3'30+ at nearly 24y
A solo 3:29 with those sort of uneven splits would be worth 3:24 had he had drafting and been paced economically. He should have ruptured EL G's WR that night, so again, you are wrong.
no
evened out it came to ~ 3'27, but he had the drafting, albeit too fast a pace initially - he gets no time lopped off for that
It's scary to think what Wheating will run once he developes. hahahahahaha!
Who is the coach of this "Maasai miracle"? I mean, what a tortoise soup does he use?
Ventolin,
How does Wariner's 800 ability compare to Rudisha? Most people think Wariner could threaten the 800 WR. Is this possible?
24.4, 25.3, 24.8 and 27.0 If this is true is does seem to indicate a weakness in endurance, as someone else here claims.
Also, from another: the 800 WR is soft? No way. It is by far the hardest event as evidenced by how seldom we see these kinds of times or performers. Simply not a lot of Coes and Kipketers out there. If Rushida never gets the WR I would not be surprised.