Krupicka ran 184 miles the week before WS 100. Is this common among ultra elites?

I thought you reduce the volume during a taper while maintaining the intensity. Have I been doing it wrong?

chikin wrote:

So what do you think his actual mileage is? He ran 100 miles in just a hair over 9 min./mile at altitude with thousands of feet of ascent and descent. Do you think he runs the Boulder Creek path for an hour every morning and calls it a day?

Tapering is overrated, especially in his case. Very little speed work (minimal intensity) means he can continue to do big mileage because that's what his body is used to. During a "taper", you taper intensity, not volume. All he does is volume so there's no need to taper dramatically. It would probably be a detriment.

He came in 2nd, in the second fastest time ever, because he ran 100 miles at the same pace you run your mile repeats.

"During a "taper", you taper intensity, not volume."

Uh, ok.

I'm talking about the last couple weeks, especially for marathon/ultra. Recovery from intense work (reps, intervals) takes longer. Keep the mileage up, decrease the intensity, maintain aerobic capacity, and avoid damage due to high intensity workouts.

If you disagree, please correct me. I know it's not "traditional".

scary thought wrote:

Hey, they could be cops, or tax collectors.

You know, some kind of profession that really "helps" people.

Teachers help people and most are getting laid off. Yeah sounds like a good idea if you ask me.

Uli Steidl, who I mention on my blog post on this topic, is a sub 2:20 marathoner who has represented Germany on many national teams.

oh. wrote:

Anyone have a clue what these elite utlrarunners' PRs are at shorter distances like 5km, 10km, 0.5 marathon, and the marathon?

Faceless wrote:

I thought you reduce the volume during a taper while maintaining the intensity. Have I been doing it wrong?

Depends who you are. Brian Sell stopped the dramatic volume taper in one of the marathons right before Oly trials. I think it was Boston 2008. His logic was that he felt fresh when running 150 mpw, and flat when running 70, what's the point of decreasing mileage?

That being said, people respond very differently to drastic changes in either intensity or volume. As far as I know, there is no magic formula for determining your optimal taper. Just have to try something and see if it works.

Geoff Roes was a respectable distance runner out of high school. He attended Central Square H.S.('94), which is about 30 min. NW of Syracuse, NY. I know he attended Syracuse University and competed on the cross-country and track teams. Not exactly sure what his times were.

I've met Geoff. I can tell you he, and many of the ultra guys, is extremely knowledgeable about training, terrain, energy, diet and body mechanics etc. Apart from running, Geoff can carry on a conversation with just about anyone about anything and is about as modest and unassuming as they come -- genuinely kind person.

so Krupicka runs the equivalent of more than 50 marathons in 50 days, but nonstop.

I can't beleive I'm the first one to point this out. Many of his miles, per the log, were barefoot. That explains it!

Obviously 0.O you are not a runner to make a stupid comment like that.

Krupicka is full of shit in regards to the mileage posted on his blog--he's a liar pure and simple--oh yeah, did I forget egomaniac?

Donnie Osmond jr. wrote:

Krupicka is full of shit in regards to the mileage posted on his blog--he's a liar pure and simple--oh yeah, did I forget egomaniac?

I'm repeating what I said above but....

You do understand that he ran 100 miles at just over 9 min. pace at altitude with thousands of feet of ascent and descent? So, like I said above, what do you think his true mileage was? There are plenty of guys that have put in that kind of mileage (Clayton, Salazar, Lindgren). 180/week (26/day) is a walk in the park for Anton.

The "big taper" is a relatively new concept.

Google malmo 1985 training.

Kup had like 4-5 days of easy running before his race. That's all he needs. 185 miles in the week before the week of his race is nothing to him.

Alan

Mitch Gold has an interesting article about doing a reverse taper...building up the volume leading up to race day.

http://www.counterpartcoaching.com/articles/taper.php

It's completely anecdotal, however.

Runningart2004 wrote:

The "big taper" is a relatively new concept.

Google malmo 1985 training.

Kup had like 4-5 days of easy running before his race. That's all he needs. 185 miles in the week before the week of his race is nothing to him.

Alan

A relatively new myth

At least he's out running races and not spending his days knob polishing and posting on Let's Run.

Donnie Osmond jr. wrote:

Krupicka is full of shit in regards to the mileage posted on his blog--he's a liar pure and simple--oh yeah, did I forget egomaniac?

If you look at the log that "Older and Wider" posted you will notice that the biggest day of that 184 mile week came on the Monday with the 50 miler. That was his last big workout. So really he still had 12-13 days of taper which is normal. The remainder of that week he ran doubles and for a 100 mile race I don't think 20 - 26 miles/day in doubles is excessive. So really he still had 2 weeks of taper, the last week being REALLY cut back - singles at 8 miles.

Time to move on. Let's all go another post and bash DK or Galen (what a loser, he ONLY ran 27:10)

Don't believe that one for a minute--it's outrageous that anyone would have the balls to even say it---the guy is full of it.

Danno wrote:

Don't believe that one for a minute--it's outrageous that anyone would have the balls to even say it---the guy is full of it.

Nice opinion, dude.

But did you really have to find a thread from 4 years ago to make your claim?