in the post race interview he detailed his plan for the future as thus:
2012- 5,000
2016- 10,000
2020- marathon
in the post race interview he detailed his plan for the future as thus:
2012- 5,000
2016- 10,000
2020- marathon
What it shows is that there is no "perfect" build for a distance runner- to a point.
OK, Ed Too Tall Jones will never be a distance runner, but you don't have to be an anorexic twig either.
You need the right physiological attributes to be fast and you have to be able to carry it over the distance.
Ok, seriously Flagpole? Who WOULD'VE made the prediction before the race. NOBODY. Lower-case j's wasn't making a prediction anyway, just pointed out Solinsky's potential and why, perhaps, there shouldn't have been such a tendency to overlook him or be shocked, shocking as it was. Besides, I merely said it was the best post on this thread, and it was. And as far as bringing up the Ritz sub-13:00... don't kid yourself. We all know you can't help it (even if it was done articially with the help of an altitude house). Yes, it is a nice time to be a fan of American distance running. Everyone keeps raising the bar.
Flagpole wrote:
I WOULD agree if this post were made before Solinsky ran the race. Hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to look back after the fact and say it was all written. I'm not ripping on multiple "j"s here, because he's not saying he knew it all along, and it's a nice reminder of how great Solinksy has been, but even with all that multiple j wrote, no one predicted Solinsky would run sub 27:00, so I can't agree with your quality assessment.
I'm as shocked about this one as I was about Ryan Hall's AR in the half marathon (remembering of course that that's the race when Hall really became world class). I wasn't shocked about Ritz's AR in the 5,000 of course, and I bring that up only to compare the three performances...Hall, Ritz, Solinsky...I think all are of about equal greatness. Probably need to put Webb's mile AR in there too.
Nice time to be an American distance running fan.
Sagarin wrote:This is actually a great post. Best on the thread thus far.
Definitely surprised me. Did anyone else noticed how his shoulders stayed almost completely still most of the race? The mark of a runner with very good form and strength.
watched it myself in person wrote:
You are fooling yourself if:
A) You think Solinsky could have led that race the way Rupp did
B) You think Rupp couldn't have burried the last 900 if he had the luxury of Solinsky pacing like Rupp did and Rupp could just sit in and wait.
If you don't understand that, you really don't understand the sport.
You don't understand the sport.
Completely shocked, with all of the hype out of Rupp's camp. I logged on to LetsRun today to check on the results, and when I saw the time it took a while to even register that it was Solinsky! I've always been a big fan, but I didn't even realize he was in the field. I would have bet a million dollars that he would be under 7:30 or 13:00 before 27:00.
What an incredible performance!
Question is - can he repeat or better? Or is this a 'Moorcroft'?
The idea is to win the race; doesn't matter if you do it from the lead or from back a ways!!!
Remember Rupp had to run WC, because he knocked Solinsky out of the 3000m, while Solinsky got to rest up. Rupp is just gearing up again, and isn't likely to rabbit Solinsky through a second race.[/quote]
ExPatBrit wrote:
Question is - can he repeat or better? Or is this a 'Moorcroft'?
If it is, at least he got under, unlike Moorcroft.
if you set a paradigm concerning who will excel at some endeavor by reference only to those who have done well in the past and then enforce the paradigm by coaches or talent scouts or even the athletes themselves, then you never even test your paradigm and you will not know what human limits exist. Give a shot to the tall sprinter (Bolt) at 100m, the slow twitch marathoner at 5000m(Ritz), the heavy middle distance runner (Solinsky) at 10000m, and if they fail, they fail. Like JFK said, "let them come to Berlin." Let them try it out on the world stage and see what happens.
well everyone start drinking budweiser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFgG7uhqoYo
Not totally shocked but very pleased. Several points- Schumacher has done a nice job since 2008 when he did not have his athletes race fit for the trials. Looks like they've found the right formula, at least for Solinsky. Second, I don't know Rupp, but if I were Chris I would have been outraged at all the publicity- and this business of picking a race last minute based on weather. Clearly they are not friends, and I have a hunch Solinsky has no trouble getting up for any race that includes Rupp. I think this one time the aggravation may have reached a boiling point where Solinky's attitude was "no way this guy beats me tonite". He's not in that race and Solinsky does not break 27. The move to Portland from Wisconsin was also huge. Then there is the weight- his times in college and that first season as a pro were done at a much higher weight- remember early last season he claimed to have lost 10 pounds, and was actually surpised something like this didn't happen last year. He's got a huge engine. I know he's not a big party guy, but perhaps the marriage has added some stability off the track. Can't wait for the Pre 5K. (I ran 4 years at UW Stevens Point with Donn Behnke, who not only coached Chris in high school XC but also his DAD!). Watch the clip. http://www.channels.com/feeds/show/63603/KIMbia-Athletics#/feeds/show/63603/KIMbia-Athletics
oh no wrote:
And, like if Rupp is thinking that, you'd be fooling yourself.
Solinsky's stride was beautifully under control as Rupp *sprinted* down the backstretch with just over 600m to go trying to close the gap.
You are so unaware.
Rupp runs on his toes, a ton. He is a toe runner, like his uncle, Rudy Chapa, he doesn't run flat footed like his father, Alberto Salazar.
He has orthotics in his spikes, because of this, that make his heal almost jut out of the back of his spikes.
He looks like he is sprinting all the time, compared to 99.9 percent of runners.
Pay attention. Duh.
Solinsky has more leg speed than Rupp at 5k and under. Solinsky must me in phenomenal shape. Have to wonder what he has in the tank for a really fast 5k. I bet Ritz was thinking he had the best shot to be first american under 27min. Still think if Ritz can maintain the speed like he showed last summer, he could run sub 26:45 this year
Apologies if this has been mentioned somewhere already: When else, if ever, has anyone broken an American track or field record in a lifetime debut at the event?
I've watched Rupp from high school on. I'm not surprised at what happened. I expect more of this type of result when Rupp faces other top world runners. Rupp has the ability to help create incredible American times, I just don't see him winning on the big stage, never have.
Make no mistake, Rupp is a world class talent. Winning takes something more.
The question is, where does Rupp stand within his current "meso-cycle?" I mean, it doesn't appear he was peaking for this race, but he knew he was fit enough to attack the AR. He's been looking to a summer campaign, and if that's the case, he might have something special in store for later this year. Moreover, the kid is all of 23, even if he's never won a BIG race. Give him time. 27:10 at 23 ain't too shabby.
Hats off to Solinsky. Everyone knew a sub-27:00 was coming eventually. It was just a matter of who got there first, and this was not a guy on anybody's radar screen. Now, I'd have to think sub-26:50 is the big prize, and that makes one competitive internationally. All of these guys are young, but especially Rupp. And Rupp has shown remarkable consistency, unlike, say Ritz for example. I think Rupp will get a sub-27:00 this year as well. It's just a matter of how far under?
has it taken this long? do i really have to be the first one to say it?
apparently now it's EASY for solinsky to run 13:30. so easy in fact that he can do it back to back and not even look tired at the end of the race. solinsky used to collapse at the end of races, be all out. now he runs 26:59 in a 10K and you guys are like, hmm, must be just better focus and smart training.
get your heads out of your arses. something is up in oregon, and it ain't clean. running 2659 by closing in 156 is something haile gebrsellassie does. not chris solinsky.
what if tegenkamp runs 1248 next? must just be the training, right?
what if webb comes out and runs 3:29 for 1500. must just be better air in oregon, right?
despite what youve been lead to believe, distance running is not as complex training-wise as people claim. its not some training revolution that's making this happen.
In reply to the thread title ...Yes I am shocked. Surely we all are. Just stop and think about all the GREAT distance runners outside Africa, in the history of our sport. List them all, their achievements and their times and then.....BANG! Chris who? The improvement is shocking from where this bloke was a year ago. He admits he's speechless, we all have to be on some level. A truly historical run by an historical nobody. Good luck to the kid, I really hope he and many others can follow. Whatever it is that is making him and others truly believe it's possible and going out and doing it, is working.
i'm surprised Teg hasn't popped a pimple yet after his teammate who he has been dominating for some time now got the American 10k record in his debut...