saucony blue.. wrote:
Rodgers ran 28:05, Hodge 28:2x or 28:19 I think at Penn. Beardsley never really raced on the track during his good run, Nate can't run that fast.
Nate has not run that fast. Whether or not he is capable of it remains to be seen.
Solution wrote:
saucony blue.. wrote:Rodgers ran 28:05, Hodge 28:2x or 28:19 I think at Penn. Beardsley never really raced on the track during his good run, Nate can't run that fast.
Nate has not run that fast. Whether or not he is capable of it remains to be seen.
Yea, doubles nate's 5k pr and subtract 3 sec. for momentum and he would equal Rodger's pr, not happening, ever.
that being said, I admire his drive and commitment. Just don't think he is realistic.
I, Nate the GREAT jenkins will AGAIN, RETURN TO THE TRACK to embarrass the high school and college distance runners of MA. HOO RAAAA
Well, no jealousy here. Hopefully just pearls of wisdom. We all have to live with the consequences of our decisions, whatever they may be. I was fortunate enough to have a couple of post-collegiate years cut short by injury, so the decision was made for me. And I'm glad it was. Otherwise, I likely never would've taken the fork in the road that, but for illness (which may even be attributed to the stress of my early running days), provided advanced education, a career, wealth, and happiness in so many other ways besides the dogged, tired-ass, selfish, monotonous pursuit of 140 miles per week in the chase for what exactly...? But, I'd like to think that if I hadn't run sub-2:11 by my mid-20s that I would've moved on anyway. And nowadays, it's more like sub-2:09 or 2:10. Many other ways to see and experience the world. There's really no need to argue. Just people presenting differing views...
Sagarin wrote:
Well, no jealousy here. Hopefully just pearls of wisdom. We all have to live with the consequences of our decisions, whatever they may be. I was fortunate enough to have a couple of post-collegiate years cut short by injury, so the decision was made for me. And I'm glad it was. Otherwise, I likely never would've taken the fork in the road that, but for illness (which may even be attributed to the stress of my early running days), provided advanced education, a career, wealth, and happiness in so many other ways besides the dogged, tired-ass, selfish, monotonous pursuit of 140 miles per week in the chase for what exactly...? But, I'd like to think that if I hadn't run sub-2:11 by my mid-20s that I would've moved on anyway. And nowadays, it's more like sub-2:09 or 2:10. Many other ways to see and experience the world. There's really no need to argue. Just people presenting differing views...
You've completely failed to articulate in anyway what exactly Nate Jenkins is giving up by running full-time and have in no way shown that he isn't living a meaningful existence while and by running. He has girlfriend, he has friends, he has a lot of people who look up to him and respect him, and he inspires plenty of people. There's something to be said about just enjoying what your doing and he doesn't have to be "chasing" anything, however merely chasing self-improvement is an admirable pursuit as any.
I couldn't care less about Nate Jenkins, frankly.
Amazing that I've managed to provoke so many defensive responses, which speaks volumes itself.
Happy trails.
Did someone get a picture of the racer who registered as Nate Jenkins???
Nate Jenkins is a beast! Yeah son Gary Gardiner is holding him back and making everyone think he's crippling, when in reality this beast is just getting started!!!
he is delusional about 210. if he stopped overtraining and took 5% off what he did, he would probably race a lot better. seems like a guy who is a slave to the log.
Amazing that I've managed to provoke so many defensive responses, which speaks volumes itself.
What the hell's "defensive" about "Sagarin is full of shit"?
The fact that 85% of this board cringe every time you open your pie hole does indeed speak volumes. Of course you assume it speaks volumes about us.
saucony blue.. wrote:
Yea, doubles nate's 5k pr and subtract 3 sec. for momentum and he would equal Rodger's pr, not happening, ever.
that being said, I admire his drive and commitment. Just don't think he is realistic.
Sure you "admire" him. As long as he stays within the predefined limits you've sent for him.
Rodgers PRs are not a required standard for someone wanting to run 2:10.
If Jenkins had listened to people like you, he'd be a 2:25 marathoner now.
Solution wrote:
saucony blue.. wrote:Yea, doubles nate's 5k pr and subtract 3 sec. for momentum and he would equal Rodger's pr, not happening, ever.
that being said, I admire his drive and commitment. Just don't think he is realistic.
Sure you "admire" him. As long as he stays within the predefined limits you've sent for him.
Rodgers PRs are not a required standard for someone wanting to run 2:10.
If Jenkins had listened to people like you, he'd be a 2:25 marathoner now.
Yea, and that 2:25 would be an improvement on his last marathon. Goodnight.
Nate Jenkins is not a 2:15 marathoner. He ran 2:15 once.
Yes, we know. That is what makes him a 2:15 marathoner.
Write back if you still don't understand.
American Sports Illustrated wrote:
Yes, we know. That is what makes him a 2:15 marathoner.
Write back if you still don't understand.
He was a 2:15 marathoner, now he is a 2:31 marathoner, only as good as your last race.
Sagarin wrote:
I couldn't care less about Nate Jenkins, frankly.
double negative?
I like his style and enthusiasm, there is more than one way to be national class I suppose. I would love for him to pack up and run with a group like Hansons (they are hurting for people right now) to see what he could do in a structured type of situation.
DoubleNegz wrote:
double negative?
Seriously?
IT GOES A LIL' SOMETHIN LIKE DIS:
HOLLA it's ya boy Peter Rea of Zap Elite
ohhhh the possibilities...
Brooks Hansons, Oregon TC, McMillan Elite, Zap Fitness
Glarius "The Bopper" Rop - 14flat, could easily go faster
Victor Kemboi - 14flat
Nate "The Great" Jenkins - 14flat, BEAST at longer distances
Ruben "Baller" Sanca - 14flat
Rex "T-Rex" Radloff - 14:XX?
Angus "Let's Beef" MacDonald - 14:XX?
hell, some coach looking to gain credentials should start the
Saucony/Sugoi Greater Lowell Elite
Challenge:
Find me someone (just ONE person) who has PRs as slow as 14:04 AND 30:27 (or whatever Jenkins' PRs are) who has run an unaided, certified marathon in under 2:10:59. The fist person who finds a legit one I will send $10.
I saw Pfitz had a PR of 14:04 or so, but he has a 28:41 track 10k. His PR is also 2:11:43.
My point is that if you have run long enough to expect that 2:10:XX is possible for you, you have definitely run long enough to show your stuff at 5k/10k. If all you have got is 14+ and 29+ ... my feeling is that you are not 2:10+ material.
History and data would agree with me.
sidenote:
I have a friend who never ran under 30:20 for 10k (track or road) and he ran several marathons in the 2:20-23 area, but his best was a 2:17 where he ran right within :10 of Kjell Erik-Stahl. We all thought that marathon was about right. Not sure what it is about a "2:10" for Jenkins that makes it special. sub-5:00 pace? A nice round number?
It is illogical to think that you could run 2:10 when you have run 2:15 and you are 29 and have never run comparable times at 10k or half-marathon.