I TOLD YOU SO.
I TOLD YOU SO.
you guys suck! 2:28 for 6th is pretty fu$kin' good! When did you ever run that you little pu$$y!
Horse Hockey wrote:
I believe that Deena will not run within 10 minutes of her stated goal. If that is the case then we know that the goal was 100% bull shit.
2:28 is an okay time. 3rd best american this year. Why would she say tthat she was shooting for a 2:18? She is now 100% hype. 30% of all of the letsrun numbnuts thought she would win. The lack of knowledge on this board is off the charts.
Or maybe, just maybe, some of us have better insight than you.
ray wrote:
Well I guess I'll throw myself to the wolves here. You guys need to show a little repsect. when you've got a few AR's and an olympic medal then you can open your mouths. Until then shut the f*** up and show a little respect.
tom c wrote:
you guys suck! 2:28 for 6th is pretty fu$kin' good! When did you ever run that you little pu$$y!
Actually, I´ve run sub-2.28 four times. What about you, little twat?
Horse Hockey wrote:
tom c wrote:you guys suck! 2:28 for 6th is pretty fu$kin' good! When did you ever run that you little pu$$y!
Actually, I´ve run sub-2.28 four times. What about you, little twat?
Try doing it as a woman.
Why should she hang up her flats if she's still running under 2:30?
Horse Hockey wrote:
I TOLD YOU SO.
I will give credit where credit is due. I'm just glad you didn't have to chop off your balls!
Right now she is the third best American women for the distance behind Goucher and Davila. I believe that she still has a chance to make the US Marathon team in 2012. But she does sound foolish when she claims 2:18 or another Olympic medal.
Keep in mind that her run today was her fastest run since 2006.
step away at the top wrote:
She really should retire. Nothing more to accomplish. Seems like a lot of runners on the downslope are having a hard time stepping away. Go while you're at the top. Plan for your future. Running is only a snapshot of life.
Why? She can still make a good amount of money for the next couple of years no matter what happens with her racing.
Bearing in mind back in the late 1970's it was confidently predicted that women would soon be routinely way under 2:20 if not competing with men, I still don't understand why the women plateau'd in the mid 80's and have been ho-hum forever since. To me there has not been one exciting prospect since Joanie. What happened? - you've NOT come a long way, baby.
I wouldn't be sure about what will or won't happen in 2012. Constantina Dita was 38 and very far from being the best runner in the Beijing Olympic field. Look what happened.
horse hockey - What's your name? I don't believe you ...........................fu$k WAD!
Dita hadn't seen a string of 2+ years of decline in the marathon prior to Beijing, either. I'm not among those who thinks that Deena should hang 'em up, yet over the next few years her cache in the marathon will dwindle below what it's worth in terms of what it takes to prepare and in terms of what she could be earning in prize money in 5K-25K racing instead of being immersed in a large block of marathon prep training. She could probably stay away from the marathon until the 2012 OT and make a great living. Like Radcliffe, however, her best days in the marathon are behind her. I still think she could make the team for London in the marathon, maybe even win the OT again, but that's more about the fact that she has few domestic challengers even in her decline in the marathon.
She may be able to make the 2012 team if she improves. I do not think that she will ever be ranked as the top American again.
Alfred Nobble wrote:
Bearing in mind back in the late 1970's it was confidently predicted that women would soon be routinely way under 2:20 if not competing with men, I still don't understand why the women plateau'd in the mid 80's and have been ho-hum forever since. To me there has not been one exciting prospect since Joanie. What happened? - you've NOT come a long way, baby.
Umm, ever heard of Paula Radcliffe? That 2:15:xx is going to be around for a long time.
Joan Benoit is the greatest Americam women's marathoner of all time and for all time. She was the pioneer. She kicked Norwegian butt when they dominated. She won the first Oly women's marathon, on home soil.
Please do not ever bash Joanie like you bash Deena. Go crawl under a rock you basher bastards.
Alfred Nobble wrote:
I still don't understand why the women plateau'd in the mid 80's and have been ho-hum forever since. To me there has not been one exciting prospect since Joanie. What happened? - you've NOT come a long way, baby.
I don't understand why you have hybernated since the mid 80's?
Here is a list of the top 20 womens marathon performances EVER. Check to see how many took place in the mid 80's.
2:15:24.6 ( 1) Paula Radcliffe (ENG) 17 Dec 1973 13 Apr 2003 London ENG
2:17:17.7 ( 1) Paula Radcliffe- 2 17 Dec 1973 13 Oct 2002 Chicago IL USA
2:17:42 ( 1) Paula Radcliffe- 3 17 Dec 1973 17 Apr 2005 London ENG
2:18:47 ( 1) Catherine Ndereba (KEN) 21 Jul 1972 07 Oct 2001 Chicago IL USA
2:18:56 ( 1) Paula Radcliffe- 4 17 Dec 1973 14 Apr 2002 London ENG
2:19:12 ( 1) Mizuki Noguchi (JPN) 03 Jul 1978 25 Sep 2005 Berlin GER
2:19:18.4 ( 1) Irina Mikitenko (GER) 23 Aug 1972 28 Sep 2008 Berlin GER
2:19:26 ( 2) Catherine Ndereba- 2 21 Jul 1972 13 Oct 2002 Chicago IL USA
2:19:36 ( 1) Deena Kastor (CA/USA) 14 Feb 1973 23 Apr 2006 London ENG
2:19:39 ( 1) Ying-jie Sun (CHN) 19 Jan 1979 19 Oct 2003 Beijing CHN
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2:19:41 ( 1) Yoko Shibui (JPN) 14 Mar 1979 26 Sep 2004 Berlin GER
2:19:46 ( 1) Naoko Takahashi (JPN) 06 May 1972 30 Sep 2001 Berlin GER
2:19:51 ( 1) Chun-xiu Zhou (CHN) 08 Mar 1979 12 Mar 2006 Seoul KOR
2:19:55 ( 2) Catherine Ndereba- 3 21 Jul 1972 13 Apr 2003 London ENG
2:20:38 ( 1) Chun-xiu Zhou- 2 08 Mar 1979 22 Apr 2007 London ENG
2:20:42 ( 1) Birhane Adere (ETH) 21 Jul 1973 22 Oct 2006 Chicago IL USA
2:20:43 ( 1) Tegla Loroupe (KEN) 09 May 1973 26 Sep 1999 Berlin GER
2:20:43 a ( 1) Margaret Okayo (KEN) 30 May 1976 15 Apr 2002 Boston MA USA
2:20:47 ( 1) Tegla Loroupe- 2 09 May 1973 19 Apr 1998 Rotterdam NED
2:20:47 ( 2) Galina Bogomolova (RUS) 15 Oct 1977 22 Oct 2006 Chicago IL USA
"back in the late 1970's it was confidently predicted that women would soon be routinely way under 2:20"
The original poster is correct in his statement. The point wasn't that the top times were from the 80s. 2:20 is nowhere near routinely broken as it once thought it would be. Only 8 women have done it. One in the last 3 years according to this list.
The list proved my point. 4th best ever is barely under 2:19?? I'm not saying they're not trying, I'm looking for reasons why they basically hit a wall at 2:19 except for one individual (OK Paula I apologize I'll put you up there with JB!)
Alfred Nobble wrote:
I'm not saying they're not trying, I'm looking for reasons why they basically hit a wall at 2:19...
Ummmm, because women are different from men? The Soviets (I think it was) did an in-depth study of the factors that separated women's performances from men's, and the most important single attribute in every event was strength--not size, blood, whatever, but strength.
Look, men and women are different. Women get to live longer and have babies; men are bigger, stronger, and smarter.